A troll (https://lemm.ee/u/shinigamiookamiryuu) is a new moderator of AskLemmy on Lemmy.world. They recently trolled about how Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked". What can be done about this?
A troll (https://lemm.ee/u/shinigamiookamiryuu) is a new moderator of AskLemmy on Lemmy.world. They recently trolled about how Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked". What can be done about this?
Hello. I wasn't sure where to post about this and a friend directed me here. This is about AskLemmy on the Lemmy.world instance's newly appointed mod, shinigamiookamiryuu.
For clarity reasons I am going to mention they are also known as "Triagonal" and various other aliases. I'm using a fresh account because the person this post is about is known to dox the people who expose them, like they did with Morothias here
I'm also trans, so I'd prefer it if a person who tells trans people to shoot up schools (see image below) doesn't have access to my main account.
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Their modus operandi is this:
- They'll do/say reprehensible things.
- When people give evidence of those reprehensible things in the form of direct links, they will call it "slander". When this fails to work, they then try to gaslight everyone by saying "you're taking it out of context" "you cannot speak for my intentions" , hoping people fall for it. This is a very common tactic they've used for years. Don't fall for it.
- They paint themselves as a targeted victim, hoping people (including mods/admins) take their word for it and don't look into the links that got posted.
There is a person who has an account on Lemmy, who has a 5 year long history of malicious trolling, doxing, catfishing, creepy comments they made to someone they knew was only 14, and telling a trans person to kill themselves after shooting up a school then gaslighting people on Lemmy about it by saying "where did I say anything about a shooter". Their actions are such that multiple people are chronicling the various reprehensible things they've said and done and continue to do. They resort to doxing, impersonating, and harassing anyone who exposes them or isn't on their side which is why a lot of people who call them out use fresh accounts for their own safety.
Here's a screenshot of them telling a trans person to "do what the person in Nashville did". They are referring to the Nashville school shooter, Aiden Hale, who was trans. They also called them a Japanese slur that is equivalent to the f-word
Here's the creepy comments they made to a DeviantArt forum member who they knew was only 14 years old. They doubled down on it when confronted.
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940
They raised a big stink on Ye Power Trippin' Bastards for their mod actions on AskLemmy.
There are a ton of links to things the troll has posted, on their own accounts, such as when they trolled on AskLemmy on Lemmy.world by saying Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked though" and proceeded to gaslight commenters in the comments, then locking their own thread. They are highly manipulative and try to paint themselves as a victim who is being targeted for no reason by calling the evidence in the links "slander" and saying "you can't speak for other people's intentions".
Here's them trolling about how Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked though" and then trolling people once those people proved them wrong by gaslighting them about how "you can't speak for other people's intentions!".
They like to portray themselves as an innocent person who is "being targeted for no reason" hoping that mods and admins who are unaware of their history take their word for it without looking into things. They will claim to mods/admins that they're being doxed because their alias, which the troll publicly posts everywhere, was mentioned in posts exposing them. They do this because they want people who point out what they're doing to be banned, not because they're actually concerned about doxing. Please bear in mind that this user has been caught using an AI generated voice trying to pass it off as their own and they have been permabanned from Discord servers for making up excuses when asked by mods to prove they are who they say they are. They are using a fake internet persona.
They have been banned and had posts removed countless times for "trolling"
Proof https://lemmy.wtf/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=538316
Another thing this user will do is sign up on websites using the exact usernames of the people who originally exposed them on DeviantArt and then, once called out for this, will troll about being "inspired" by those usernames, omitting the fact they've 1. done this dozens of times 2. they only steal the usernames of the people who exposed them on DeviantArt. They'll also list their country on the impersonation accounts as being from the country of the person they're impersonating, among other things, like pretending to have DID on an account that's named after a person on DeviantArt who actually has DID and then manipulate people by claiming people calling them out on this are "denying DID exists".
They report any posts that aren't on their side, claiming they're being doxed because the poster used their alias, an alias they publicly use throughout the internet, and are known for faking many aspects of their persona online.
I apologize for the lengthy post, but is it appropriate for such a person to be a mod on AskLemmy, which is a popular community, given their actions both on Lemmy and off-site?
edit: They're now in this thread saying Elon Musk's Nazi salute was debunked and are comparing it to Pokemon. Link
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Well. I raised this exact question months ago as a hypothetical. I was trying to learn how lemmy works, and despite my arguements that this is a stupid recoarse, here is what I was told.
Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won't be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!
Alright lemmy users who aren't part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago.......this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios.....and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.
And again, to op and others in this thread, I want to remind you that I'm not being snarky to you. I'm being snarky to those people 8 months ago who argued this exact scenario.
They claimed the solution is to make AskLemmy2, everybody leave AskLemmy, and now the troll is a mod of a dead community. So yeah, I'm going to be snarky. I knew that was a stupid response to this situation.
So yeah. I'm full of warrented snark tonight.
Alright lemmy users who aren't part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago.......this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios.....and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.
I mean; It does work that way. See the [email protected] drama. People didn't like what the mods wanted to do, so they started their own ([email protected]) and it currently has more than twice the number of active users.
So it does work when most of the people give a shit. Problem is, most people don't.
Why do your links try to open an email app? Is the problem with your links, or with my Voyager?
Bit of both. I don't think they were trying to link the communities; just making clear what instance they were on. I think the correct nomenclature would be to put ! in front of them, like [email protected]
(But when I clicked "link a community" in Voyager like I did just now, it both added the ! and then formatted a link directly to blahaj in standard brackets+parentheses so tbh idk)
test [email protected]
seems to me like simply adding the ! without any additional formatting was all that was needed, works both in browser and voyager. i wonder why the app adds the brackets?
Also [email protected]
Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won’t be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!
I find that stupidity infuriating. It postulates that communities are owned by moderators and not the community and users. That is authoritarian narcissistic garbage. No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!
That is how these places fail to grow most people encountering this stupidity just leave. Mods serve communities just like admin. The altruism of hosting is not some neo feudal ownership of users. I'm grateful for the time and efforts spent and willing to contribute myself in the ways I can to that democracy, but anyone that acts like that means they own me can shove a whole data center and the parking lot up their root directory. Communities have momentum and belong to the users only. ANY mods that do not put users first should be purged immediately. Mods are disposable. As a mod, I am disposable. I do not matter. I am the janitor. Any mod that can not say this should be purged immediately. Anyone with any hint of narcissism is toxic to the community in every instance. Every mod and admin action is harmful and should only ever be applied to those that are causing greater harm like bigots. There should be extreme prejudice by admin at mods that are active and taking actions that were not flagged by members of the broader community. I'll volunteer as a mod of any of the larger communities if that is what is needed. I trust users to make flags and there are very few actual actions needed here in any community.
No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!
Yup. I wish that it was possible to make it clear to moderators just how little of a fuck the average user gives about them. Because they generally seem to have delusions of grandeur and think of themselves as the most important people around. Which is fucking bullshit because without the users that they dismiss and treat like dirt, they wouldn't have a platform where they get to inflate their egos in the first place.
I actually made a post about this elsewhere but I'm gonna mention it here too. The reason the API thing on Reddit didn't cause every user to come here is because the moderators there made it all about themselves. To the average user, the whole 'protest' looked a lot like the people who treat users unfairly whining and crying about the admins treating them unfairly. And I can tell you, there was little to no sympathy for them. All they did was cry about their modding tools while locking entire communities that thousands or hundreds of thousands of people make use of. And they pissed everyone off.
I know that personally a big reason the API thing didn't do much for me in my decision to leave Reddit (or not) was because the same people that forced me into using services like reveddit because they like to silently remove people's comments without notice or a trace, were suddenly asking me for solidarity and to feel sorry for them. And at that time, my feelings towards the situation and the moderators who were crying about it was "go fuck yourselves."
Which is fucking bullshit because without the users that they dismiss and treat like dirt, they wouldn’t have a platform where they get to inflate their egos in the first place.
I'm a mod, and I agree.
Agreed. Hopefully the [email protected] migration gave us hope
It would be good, then, that I don't fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I'm aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person's warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn't some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.
It would be good, then, that I don't fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I'm aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person's warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn't some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.
You recently trolled about how Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked though" and when people proved you wrong, you proceeded to troll about how "you can't speak for other people's intentions" before locking the thread. You even used the "Roman salute" excuse and then went off on a tangent about Japanese anime.
A portion of your blog post supposedly debunking everything is just spent waffling about Elon Musk.
Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention, and two, a lot of the footage exaggerated his gesture anyways. I don't rule out that it was reckless and that people are right to feel offended, just that we can't speak for another person's intent.
Something that's worth noting (or which I don't see a lot of people talking about) is the fact that the salute, historically, was done with your arm stretched out in front of you, not to the side like in the photograph of him. My style is to analyze things closely and give constructive critique (which is why, when someone mentioned he also shared antisemitic conspiracy theories, I gave some scolding words about Musk and did not continue the same "meh" reaction).
I remember when I was little and Pokémon came out with the character Registeel and the sprite had to be changed because the pose they chose for the creature just happened to resemble a Nazi salute. It was probably far less likely to be intentional in their case, but it actually looked more like the salute... and then it was memed into oblivion. Musk's salute in the picture, though technically arguable to be the salute (and it's possible more to his intentions might come to light), was more like the Team Rocket pose.
Don't apologise for nazis
I'm not. Read what I said.
Here's a quote from @[email protected] for context:
You recently trolled about how Elon Musk's Nazi salute "has been debunked though"
and then a selection of quotes from your reply, the one I responded to:
Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention, and two, a lot of the footage exaggerated his gesture anyways.
Something that's worth noting (or which I don't see a lot of people talking about) is the fact that the salute, historically, was done with your arm stretched out *in front of you*, not to the side
Musk's salute in the picture, though technically arguable to be the salute (and it's possible more to his intentions might come to light), was more like [the Team Rocket pose.]
You've claimed to know what his intention was, that the Nazi salute was done differently to the clip of Hitler himself, even though the video shows that they're almost identical, and then that Musk's salute was an innocent mistake.
They sound an awful lot like excuses for a guy who was caught on camera performing a salute that's all but identical to a Nazi salute that Hitler, leader of the Nazis, performed on video.
I say what his intention is based on what he says his intention is. Every person is the authority of their own intentions, and I was relaying what he said. That's not an excuse to say nor will it ever be, otherwise anyone and everyone could put words in anyone's mouth and treat it as canon.
You'd better learn what dogwhistles are, and fast.
By your logic, everyone who has ever said what I'm saying, which includes both Democrats and Republicans, is dogwhistling. This isn't the first time in history something was so nefariously interpretable, and it sadly probably won't be the last. Mere interpretation, and defense of what someone meant by a gesture or utterance, is just as timeless and not wrongful, and it's not breaking any rules here simply to speak for what one's actual intent might be versus the effect they had. I've already condemned both Nazis and Elon Musk in my initial exchanges, which are falsely presented here as "evidence" of supporting any murderous or criminal group. Not the same thing.
This is so embarrassing for you. Just stop. It’s sad.
Stop what? Stop elaborating on what I meant that caused me to be taken out of context? The fact people feel the need to take people out of context, and to campaign against someone wherever they go when half of what they're saying can be put to rest in an instance, is to me what's sadder.
Lol… okay.