The guardian on Joe Rogan's popularity in Aus, and some peoples' reasons for listening.
The guardian on Joe Rogan's popularity in Aus, and some peoples' reasons for listening.
Some consider it their dirty secret, for fear of being cancelled. Others openly enjoy the long-form format. Either way, the US podcaster’s appeal in Australia is undeniable
I thought this article was interesting, in that I am immediately suspicious of the motives of some of people quoted. The conclusion runs counter to what I want to be true, and I'm curious what other people make of it.
Also men: Do you actually feel attacked? I'm not sure I've ever seen someone criticised for like being strong and capable, or a good carpenter, or a protective dad or whatever. Is this a real thing? or just something that is used as cover like the traditional values vs violent misogyny terminology.
P.S. Thinking there are hordes of ravenous cancellers waiting in the wings is extremely funny to me. Not exactly beating the allegations that listening to Jo Rogan damages your perception of reality.
“I’ve literally seen this happen, it’s like: ‘oh don’t talk to him, he likes Joe Rogan, he’s probably one of these weird alt-right guys’.”
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For Alexander, Rogan’s rise ran counter to the identity politics spilling out university campuses, a yin to yang of a “woke mind virus” that he felt was targeting people like him.
Gee Alexander, you’re not doing a good job of showing you’re not one of those weird alt-right guys.
These fucking little cowards like to hide behind victimhood as if they’re not just shit people deserving of it.
Yeah... he seemed like a kind of person I've known but it's a few snippets from an interview. Maybe there's a more charitable way to read it, more of a joke.
I listened to a few of his interviews some years back and only really came away with the conclusion that he's a dumbfuck who'll get most of his opinions from the last person he talked to.
Don't forget the money he's given.
Edgelords with inflated opinions of their intelligence, and morons.
Those two are not mutually exclusive.
Who’s this Jo Rogan sheila?
Some yank wanker
Do you actually feel attacked? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone criticised for like being strong and capable
I don't get it, where is the link between being attacked and being strong and capable?
“middle path of masculinity”, between the “emasculated” and “browbeaten” male of the far left and the Tate-like women haters and “pickup artists” of the far right.
“We want to foster the good side [of masculinity],” he says. “Which is being on the mission, wanting to be strong, being something of a warrior, but also being the good man, the loving husband, the loving partner, the good father”
“There is a vitriol against that idea[...]"
If you ask most people who allegedly want to brow beat men what "good masculinity" is you would probably get stuff like:
- strong and helpful
- patient
- skilled
- protects people
- Loving and attentive
- Takes care of body and mind
- Good in a crisis
This guy is claiming men are attacked for wanting to be strong, loving, a good father, and 'something of a warrior'
Idk what the last means but I basically only see men attacked for
- treating women as less then men
- using violence to solve problems that could be talked out
- using violence on the vulnerable
Which uh, notably aren't in his list of reason men are attacked. So I want to ask what men's opinions are.
I think many are quick to colour all men with the same brush when any man does something bad (murder, domestic violence, etc). This ignores the fact that most men aren't doing this and are helpless to stop it. It's not like we're choosing to let domestic violence to continue. We're just as powerless as anyone else.
And there's a real focus on the worst of men's behaviour, without any appreciation of the good things men do, to balance it out.
All men are flawed, just like all women are flawed (except my Mrs). We're all a mix of good and bad, trying to do our best.
When I see people trying to define positive masculinity, they list traits that are actually good traits I look for in female partners, or male friends. This leads me to believe that the complaints about emasculation are confused ones. I know my mostly absent father complained to my mum about emasculation once. Well, step up and be strong and responsible like most single mothers have to do. Too many guys expect to be respected just for being male. Prove it. Be a good person, male or female.
There's a ton of casual misandry in American media and some are more sensitive to it than others.
I basically only see men attacked for
Hmm maybe this might help (it came out 3 days before the election) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSw04BwQy4M
I've listened to Joe Rogan before because his Daryl Davis interview was interesting as fuck. I can't think of anything else he's put out that I care about, though. I also can't Imagine being insecure about listening to a podcast.
I suspect he is the Taylor Swift or Mr Beast of talk shows. If you have no experience with music then Taylor is very accessible and easy to discover. Mr Beast will be on the front page when you visit Youtube if you don't have an established watch history. I am sure Rogan tops the podcast apps. The platforms promote him because he has an audience and he is always being discussed.
It is the lowest common denominator stuff. You can likely discuss Rogan along with the cricket or free to air reality tv with regular people and be on common ground.
Rogan's ignorance is comical and a bit concerning how many people hang on his words but he fills a niche that people seem to desire. When they claim to be upset about all the haters they are behaving more or less like Swifties. They absolutely love hanging out with other Swifties and can't understand why we don't all agree with them. That isn't being a victim. That is petulance.
The most baffling thing about it is that Joe Rogan was a comedian for most of his professional life yet his show is not funny at all. The one thing I can say in his favour is that he gives his guests unlimited time and space to talk. So many interviewers talk over their guests and try to be the centre of attention I just hate it. But Rogan’s guests don’t interest me with all the kooky stuff they promote, and Rogan himself eats it all up.
I hate Joe Rogan, but occasionally he has interesting guests on, and I'm forced to tolerate him for a bit.
I am curious if you have any episodes you would recommend? I have seen the worst. I wonder what the good ones are and would be interested to better understand the appeal.
I tend to go for very dry and academic podcasts. We're not so different, maintenance phase, when diplomacy fails, Australia in the world, tech wont save us etc.
I'm not the person you asked, but his 2019 Bernie Sanders interview was really good.
I liked the Johann Hari interview
The 2016 election night episode entitled something like "The End of the World" was great and IMO signals the shift in the show. He's at the Comedy Store or The Icehouse (LA comedy clubs) and there are a dozen comics on stage commenting as other comics drop in and out.
Not what you asked for but I assume you already listen to Stuff You Should Know? Thats a super easy listening general science & culture podcast for background listening while working or traffic.
I feel like Tim Heidecker's parody of rogan says more than this article did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Iyg9fznvM
Linking to an 11 hour video is a bold move
Spoiler
It loops seamlessly every 90 or so minutes
There's a lot if casual misandry in the media. There is a rejection of the traditional male head of the household gender role but there isn't a clearly defined replacement that we agree to so right now a lot if younger men have no real masculine ideal to aspire to and guys like Rogan fill that hole as he's supposedly tough, funny, responsible and a solid bread winner for his family (regardless of whether that is accurate IDK). He gives guys a model to aspire to even if it is controversial.
What I wonder is how we shift away from the caveman ideal that Rogan represents to someone more in the vein of Bob Ross or Fred Rodgers (Mr Rodgers Neighborhood). We would all be better if guys wanted to be Fred Rodgers
There's a lot if [sic] casual misandry in the media.
Yeah righto little fella
I was a fan up until around episode 800ish. The comedy/fitness guests were fun and informative. I eventually found the guests more and more wack so I gave up on the show.
I've listened somewhere between 500 to 1000 episodes from him. I wouldn't exactly call myself a fan but it's just one of the shows I've subscribed to on my podcast app and when ever he has a quest on who sounds interesting I download the episode and listen to it while working. I don't agree with him on everything but that applies to all the other podcasters I listen to as well. Joe has his flaws but generally I find him smart, nice, honest and a reasonable person. If one bases their opinion about him on the articles and YouTube clips of him then I can't really blame them for having a skewed perspective but personally, as someone who has listened thru the entire 3 hour episode and knows the full context, I'm not very convinced by most of the accusations made of him. One simply couldn't hide their "true personality" while putting out tens of thousands if hours of unscripted discussions online. I feel pretty confident in saying that I know Joe about as well as you can know someone without ever having met them.
I can't get by the sound of his voice, it's irritating