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Can someone explain me, why is it bad to think about yourself? This book teaches you, how to first think about yourself, than others.
She(or Nathan) wrote, that if you do something with "I want this, so I do this" manner, that isn't great. The formula should be "This should be done, because of some rational reasoning, so I'll do this". If you are not involving others right to think/live/freedom.
In the beginning of the story our so called heroes run their train through a red light because they don't want to be late for a meeting. That's not thinking for yourself. That's not even thinking period. They are gambling not only their own, but dozens of other peoples lives to avoid a minor inconvenience. This is far from the only example of this happening.
Can you please tell me the chapter, I don't remember this moment, to be honest. I would like to reread it
The scene in question is on page 23.
It's clearly stated, that they were on the siding track by someone's mistake. She asked them to drive slowly in case of something and if another one is green, than go back to main road.
She knows how trainroads work and how to solve problems. She found a problem and solved it. She asked them to drive cautiously, so I don't see a problem here.
Is it wrong for you to drive on a red light, if it's by mistake of someone? You would also cautiously drive through it, to get to your destination, aren't you? Maybe you would take another route. We take into account, that you know by fact, that this red light is broken and you wouldn't wait until it's fixed in front of it.
For me it's not wrong to break this rule in the context of the situation. They were caught by mistake and it made a problem of getting late. She understood the situation, thought it through and solved the problem. It wasn't reckless, which is clearly stated by asking them to drive cautiously.
This book teaches you, how to first think about yourself, than others.
That's a solid argument right there.
In a world of Ayn Rand everyone also works together. She wrote, that people should work with each other. They will benefit from this. One person is not capable of doing everything. However, you can choose who to work with. You would always want to work with someone who does everything right and in time.
All people are not equal, and that is a fact, but in rational world they can work hard to be noticed by another rational person. You don't judge by the look of their skin, cloths or fortune. You judge by the way they think. There would be no slaves, those who worked hard would earn more.
The machines are built by workers, but who made the blueprint? They sold it or shared it to make life more comfortable for themselves, thus making the progress. You will end up with better and more goods. This is one of the reasons you must value yourself.
Money is virtue, because it's one of the least thing people agreed on as equal value to something. I really don't want to barter for the new phone, to be honest.
It's a problem, that you are not getting paid enough, but that's not problem of the money, that's people who are paying less are a problem.
Communism isn't equal too. You, in fact, would get paid the same amount as everyone else. What's the point of doing better and more, if you get paid the same?
So I still don't understand to be honest, are there other explanations? With all my pleasure, if everything is shared, I do not want to share my woman with someone, who needs it more. Share my workplace with someone who needs it more, but I will give it to someone, who's better than me. Share my payment, because someone needs it more. If I want to, I have some surplus and I won't need it, than sure, I will share. I won't do it mandatory.
"But who made the blueprints"
Also workers.
If by workers we consider everyone, who's working with their hands and minds, getting paid for this, than I agree. It's not different from Ayn Rand's philosophy.
If by workers we consider only people who work with hands on a factory, than no. Without proper education, you can't make blueprint of machine. To be more clear - good machine.
If none of this, I am ready to listen to your explanation
White and blue collars are both working class, working class doesn't mean poor or manual labour. Either you have to work to sustain yourself or you own the "means of production" e.g. parasitic owner class, these don't do any meaningful work especially not designing complex industrial blueprints.
Wait, so if a person pays government to buy land, pays architect, providing him a job, to make a project of a factory, pays construction company to build factory, pays other different factories to buy machines for his factory, hires workers and pays them to work and produce goods is being parasite? Did I get it right?
So I still don’t understand to be honest,
No, you understand perfectly well - you are a simp for parasite ideology. Just like Ayn Rand was.
That's not an explanation... I am only asking to explain in other way, I could understand. I can admit, that I am wrong, if objective reasoning is heavy enough for me to say "yeah man, whis Ayn Rand is such a parasite", but I don't see it, or don't understand
You don't understand how capitalism works?
Well, you are getting paid for your work, by someone who managed to get the business going, all hard things aside.
That's not Capitalism.
Can you please explain me than? Seems I was wrong all this time...
(Just in case you thought I had forgotten about you.)
If workers want to, that could increase their professional aptitude to be able to maintain or work with new machines, making them more valuable and increasing their wages. If you are valuable you and your manager understands this - It's in his self-interest to keep you on a workplace
In objectivism, you don't encroach on others right to live, so the last one is obscure
Capitalism isn't wage labor, it's a specific mode of production by which individual Capitalists buy and sell Capital, then pay Workers wage labor to use said Capital to create commodities.
If the entity is Worker Owned, it's Socialist, as Capitalism requires Capitalists.
How much did you pay your mother for having you?
Firstly, that's rude. Secondly, the only possible way I can pay her back is give someone else another life.
No, it isn't.
Did you or did you not pay your mother for all the services she has rendered to you?
You can't even apply Rand's objectivist bullshittery to your own existence - yet here you are pretending you can apply it everywhere else.
Put up or shut up.
If you read about Rand's philosophy, it is not a sacrifice to do something for the loved ones for free. Their happiness is your happiness, so it's in your interest to make them happy. My mother never asked me to pay her back. I payback to foreigners and friends for their services. I don't ask people to do something for me free, nor do something to others for free.
Ayn Rand is a dumbass that encourages atomization of humanity, when humans are a social species. Placing the self over the whole is where we get fascism.
Where she states about atomozation? In her books her heroes communicate with each other, drinking and go lazy. They can't communicate with people not their kind, 'cause they get real bored. I doubt you can talk and dance with people you are not interested in.
Yet again, they don't put themselves above others, they mostly don't judge at all. They state facts and that's it, no hostility involved.
It's the subtext of her works.
All she was rooting for, do what you like, if it respects people right to live. There is no atomatization subtext in her works. If you can provide quotes with explanation, than we can discuss it
Atomization, ie everyone is capable of being entirely separated from society. That's her subtext, it's individualistic to the point of absurdity.
Damn, I was reading wrong, sry.
She doesn't propagate atomism, it's always about thinking. If you feel better without communicating, why should you? In case of fountainhead main heroes feel better when communicating with same-minded for example. So she writes about social aspects
Yes, in a fascist manner.
Please, provide a quote from the book with chapter and a page which propagates atomism in a fascist manner. Or at least explain the situation from the book
You described it yourself. Her point is to try to remove humans from the rest of society, and instills a superiority complex over the outgroup. She was a deranged fascist.
Her groups are not superior in anyway, she never said this. And again, please provide quotes
