'I lost my appetite': Cheeseburger served with waiver at Toronto restaurant
'I lost my appetite': Cheeseburger served with waiver at Toronto restaurant
A visitor from the U.S. got more than they asked for at a Toronto hotel restaurant when they ordered a cheeseburger on Monday night that was served with a waiver on the side.
A visitor from the U.S. got more than they asked for at a Toronto hotel restaurant when they ordered a cheeseburger on Monday night that was served with a waiver on the side.
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Dumb American disgusted by his own stupidity
What makes him stupid? Cooking a burger to medium is extremely common.
Reit007 said the server explained that because the kitchen at the Hilton Toronto Airport Hotel & Suites always cooks their burgers well-done, they should sign the waiver first.
The disgusting part of this story is a corporate mandate on well-done burgers.
You can have ground beef below well done, but it has to be fresh ground in clean equipment. Most restaurants that don't specialize in burgers/beef aren't fresh grinding mean on order. If you eat medium at a place that doesn't offer it you're responsible for your own decisions.
I think cleanliness standards for kitchens should be governement ordained to be clean enough but to have to serve a waiver.
If you're running a kitchen and are to dense to follow health and safety laws you shouldn't be able to operate.
In his circumstance should the onus be placed on the customer.
You're thick as pudding.
A clean kitchen isn't enough. If your burger was made of preground beef you can't eat it medium. If ONE of the pieces of meat that was processed that day in the factory was contaminated all the resulting ground meat is also contaminated. That's why you cook ground meat to well done.
If a restaurant wants to offer medium burgers, or steak tartare or some other form of undercooked ground beef, they have to grind it themselves, in small batches, and use practices that reduce contamination. They'll usually still warn you on the menu because there is still a risk. There are restaurants in Japan that serve raw chicken sushi, same concept. If you ask for undercooked chicken at a restaurant, you're an idiot, unless you've gone somewhere that can do it right, which usually starts from raising their own specially vaccinated chickens.
Restaurants that don't offer undercooked ground beef are just trying to warn you that you're being an idiot ordering undercooked ground beef. If you make burgers at home from store bought ground beef and cook them to medium, same thing.
Or don't allow beef with contamination risks at all ... Industry standards can be enforced.
That's sooooo dumb holy crap. You're so combative on things you clearly don't understand at all!
Industry standard are never "all beef must be sterile" that's insane. Industry standards are "you're allowed max one rodent hair per 100g of food" or "you're allowed 3 insect larvae per pound of canned elderberries" (real FDA regulations). Industry standards ARE being enforced, they include minimum cooking temperatures for meats.
I know you won't understand why "don't allow contamination risks" is absolutely brain-dead. I don't have the crayons to explain it to you. Do a couple hours of research, figure out where contamination in beef comes from and what rules and regulations are in place to reduce the exposure risk. Then look up the way typical slaughterhouses and meat processors work, including the health and safety regulations that reduce contamination risk. Then look up why steaks can be cooked medium but not ground beef. Then look up what you need to do to make raw ground beef safe like steak tartare and med burgers. Then look up the cost associated with any single test for bacterial contamination on surfaces.
Once you've got a good understanding of the situation, in general you'll realize the regulations that are in place make sense and that more stringent regulation wouldn't solve anything in a cost effective way, nor meaningfully reduce human contamination and disease.
That or you won't understand enough and you'll still have a crazy opinion.
Or, just maybe, in the rare case where you're a brilliant, reasonable person, you'll support some small budding initiative already in regulatory circles that makes a small incremental improvement to safety at a reasonable cost.
You willing to pay $100 per burger? How about $1000? A cow isn't sterile. You're starting with contaminated source, so you have to decontaminate it, test it to make sure it really is decontaminated, and seal it medical-grade sterile to ensure no contaminants are reintroduced. And it all goes out the window the moment someone screws up, which happens even with food that absolutely must be sterile, as proven by the shenanigans with baby formula over the past few years. It simply isn't worth it when cooking ground beef thoroughly is so much easier and cheaper, and most of the population is okay with it.
The only person that's too dense here is you buddy.
you can have undercooked beef because bacteria can’t penetrate that far below the surface (opposed to chicken), if it is ground then that safety net isn’t there
Its 160°F in center mandate, or you would lose your food service license. Why would a hotel risk that for one customer that wants it cooked below standards
It's not a corporate mandate, it's a provincial government mandate that exists in the whole of Canada as far as I know (food safety for restaurants being under provincial jurisdiction) and for good reasons, the risks associated with undercooked ground beef aren't worth it to please the small % of clients who would want it.
You want your patties medium? Buy a whole piece of meat, remove the outer layer, ground it and cook it, don't expect restaurants to do that for you.
What constitutes a small % to you?
Eating burgers cooked medium is very common. Well done beef is no different than eating leather.
Ground beef isn't a steak and restaurants have health guidelines to follow because they don't want to make you sick, what you do at home is your problem (until it becomes ours because you get e.coli from undercooking ground beef that you didn't prepare yourself).
I cook store bought ground beef burgers to medium rare multiple times a year and not once has there been an issue
Yeah and some people smoke their whole life and never get lung cancer, it doesn't make it safe to smoke.
There's e.coli recalls every year, but hey, don't let that stop you, not as if it could kill you or handicap you long term to catch it (need an /s on that or you're good?)
Do yourself a favor, get a meat grinder and make your own ground beef if you want to eat it medium. It's cheaper and much more delicious.
Nah, the disgusting part is the consequences of factory farming and humanity's domination of the planet and desire for meat.
Well-done burgers are the band-aid for the deeper problems.