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we were telling Kamala what she needed to do to win
No, you weren't. Gaza was not the reason she lost.
Gaza was not the reason she lost.
Actually, it was literally the largest reason she lost according to polling?
https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
Damn all those centrists shouting down progressives sounding the alarm about the Palestinian Genocide in Gaza look really fucking pathetic right now, turns out it was a fire alarm that needed to be rung and centrist losers took the side of the fire rather than do it.
The Democratic Party needs to be burned down I am afraid.
29% - Ending Israel's violence in Gaza
That means 71% of non-Harris voters rejected her for reasons other than Gaza. Your citation doesn't prove what you think it proves.
The Democratic Party needs to be burned down I am afraid.
I'm not even disagreeing with you! But permanently destroying your ability to ever replace it with anything better by plunging the US into fascist dictatorship was not the way to do it!
That means 71% of non-Harris voters rejected her for reasons other than Gaza.
Do you not understand the concept of a plurality? facepalm
I am getting tired of explaining this, I am a white caucasian leftist born in the US, I voted for Kamala even though I had massive reservations about the genocide, the reason people like me were sounding the alarm is because we hadn't lobotimized our ability to empathize with Palestinian americans, arab americans and Palestians themselves (also all the jews against this too!) and understood this was a catastrophic, losing strategy.
Do you not understand that there's an absolute, fundamental difference between:
"Harris needs to change her position on Gaza to win more support"
vs.
"Don't vote for Harris; she supports genocide"
?
The former is legitimate criticism of Democrats. The latter is pro-fascist, pro-even-more-genocide concern trolling.
And before you try to say "but threatening to withhold our vote was our leverage"--NO. You DID NOT HAVE that leverage, not after the primaries were over and not with Trump as the only alternative! The stakes -- the continuation of American democracy itself, on top of even more brutal destruction of Gaza -- were too high for that threat to be credible, and everyone knew it. (In other words, anybody who would actually follow through on that threat was deliberately choosing more harm for Gaza and thus was never on their side to begin with.)
You DID NOT HAVE that leverage, not after the primaries were over and not with Trump as the only alternative!
Did you not read my post? I voted for Harris so did every leftist I know. Please shut up about misrepresenting my actions by continually forgetting in your rhetoric the fact that I stated I voted for Harris, I also did not advocate for NOT voting for Harris though I expressed a lot of uncertainty over feeling ok voting for Biden and then Harris after she made it clear there was going to be zero realworld daylight between her and Biden's policy on the Palestinian Genocide. It seems that for you this is emotional pathos about imagined characters being your punching bag because you are upset and confused.
Further, it seems that you are upset precisely because the voters who voted for Biden but did not vote for Harris did in fact have a whole lot of leverage that the DNC and Biden/Harris refused to acknowledge, and they likely lost the election by ignoring it in favor of choosing to play cozy with rich donors and republicans. They refused to allow a Palestinian to even speak at the DNC while giving prime stage time to fucking LIZ CHENEY A REPUBLICAN.
...and what fucking primary? The one the DNC and more relevantly Biden undermined by not dropping out until it was too late to have a primary?
I understand you are upset, but you are acting like a republican in that it seems like you NEED a morality story, you need some selfish, reactionary person acting in an infuriating way to be angry at. You can't admit that your way of understanding the world is flawed and that a whole bunch of unsustainable shit has been normalized in your mind that is falling apart catastrophically, and that would always have inveitably fallen apart catastrophically.
The only positive thing you can say about your strategy is that maybeeee it would have delayed this happening, which seems like a reasonable argument until you recognize that is absolutely as far as that strategy can take you and no further because all holding an unsustainable explosive potential in harder accomplishes, past a certain point, is to increase the lethality of the explosion when it finally occurs.
The way you see the world, a perspective that sees the Palestinian Genocide as a distracting detail to US elections, is so fundamentally flawed that you and people that agree with you can never reach an effective majority coalition in U.S. politics by adhering to it, you will piss off and drive away too many people. That is just a fact, a fact born out by this past election.
It is time for your understanding of US politics to evolve, the plight of the Palestinian people isn't a fucking detail to US politics and US voters understand that whether you are willing to or not.
Funny, because I still see democrats blaming pro-palestine protestors for her loss
Facilitating genocide and calling all the politically-activated college students who would have been making up the dem's ground game if not at least phonebanking, antisemites for whom free speech doesn't apply were just a few of dozens of decisions the dems chose, knowing they would decrease turnout.
The dems lost because they thought they didn't have to listen to their constituents to win.