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i guess the continued shelling of civilians in donbass and the rise of the banderites is russias fault too
Your comment contains as many sources as there is punctuation marks. Do tell me more?
e: that came across as unusually short. I'm interested in learning of this shelling, I've not heard of civilian targeting.
I went hunting for sources and found this. It seems to highlight the chaos in the region more than assigning blame.
Weird how banderites never "shelled civilians" before russian invasion, innit?
And then they suddenly have been doing it for 8 years
banderites never “shelled civilians”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Donetsk,_Rostov_Oblast
On 13 July 2014, mortar shells fired from Ukrainian territory landed in the courtyard of a private home in the border town of Donetsk. The shelling killed one civilian and injured two others
The Ukraine-Russia conflict has begun to sound a lot like the Israel-Gaza conflict, in so far as you've got these little media bubbles where "My side has NEVER done ANYTHING wrong and they just want to kill all of us, so everyone on their side is a valid target for shelling."
You were unable to understand a very short sentence? Alright, I'll bite.
Yeah, absolutely, these are very similar conflicts, essentially these are - one imperialist country is trying to completely erase another smaller one, by whatever means necessary. Again, even if this was done by UAF, this wouldn't have happened without r*ssian invasion.
Russian assistance to Donbas came after Banderite/Azov terrorism. Also, the ceasefire breaking accusations are against Donbas leaders who just wanted autonomy inside Ukraine until the SMO became the necessary action to protect them, and protect Russia against NATO.
Russian assistance to Donbas came after Banderite/Azov terrorism.
Certain liberals simply cannot believe Ukraine might hold it's own violent reactionary elements, posed to do violence against ethnic Russian civilians.
That's why you had the Canadian parliament applauding a member of the Wauffin SS a few years back.
That's why liberals will refer to Russian conscripts as "Orks" and make up fanciful stories about 40 beheaded babies to justify hospital bombing in Gaza City.
That's why Americans elected a Mussolini loving convicted criminal to their highest office, for fear of a brown woman candidate being too nice to other brown people.
The propaganda machine is eating itself. Westerners are completely incapable of seeing through their local brand of fascist agitprop.
Biden was the most neocon/zionist/republican/warmonger the DNC loved, but manufacturing a war on Russia was not an election platform. I won't condemn liberalism, except for the complete stupidity of trusting DNC to be a liberal organization instead of warmongering neocons first. The gullibility that Biden/DNC must be good just because they are the lesser evil, just led to protests over the weekend for more war on Russia.
We've reached body snatcher level of political dysfunction. I'm still resistant to impune liberal rationality. Trump or Putin Derangement syndrome is simply disturbing people to be against peace. Let me assure everyone that war on Russia was and still is a bad idea. Surely a new war will happen soon enough for you to be happy again.
We’ve reached body snatcher level of political dysfunction.
It drives me up the wall when you've got a Tech Bro / Finance Freak Cartel running the White House and the only response I see on these big liberal forums is "Putin is in control!"
Like Peter Thiel and Robert Mercer and Miriam Adelson and Linda McMahon don't exist.
Of course it is, it always is. Russians are to blame for everything.
This, but unironically I guess.
I mean, technically sort of, yeah. Continued russian aggression and interference most definitely contributed to the rise of political extremism. Which just so happened to give the Kreml plenty of reason for further interference, such as the direct deployment of "volunteers" into the civil war.
Russia would have had the opportunity to support Russian communities in Ukraine peacefully, for example with beneficial trade agreements and cultural exchange programs. Unfortunately for these Russian communities, all the Kreml knows are diplomatic pressure and coercion and force of arms. As such, Russian culture was regarded as a mark of oppresion and the communities became targets of both Russian and Ukrainian nationalists - either as enemies, or potential agents.
Note: This is simply my, obviously non-comprehensive, personal understanding of the situation. Feel free to elaborate.
Before the full scale invasion, more than half of Kyiv residents preferred speaking russian over Ukrainian in day to day communication, myself included. If the invasion never happened, I'd still be speaking russian. They literally did it to themselves.
Interesting. I have a genuine question I hope you don't mind me asking. How come you prefer Russian over Ukrainian?
Right now I've switched to Ukrainian in almost all cases, so, right now, I don't. But, to answer your question about my past preference, it was mostly peer pressure. Most of my friends and large part of my relatives were speaking either russian or surzhyk (a sort of Ukrainian-russian creole, that varies depending on the region).
Since both exist only in russian imagination, yes
Are these things that happened in the magnitude you are implying?