Trump refuses to say if he wants Ukraine to win the war
Trump refuses to say if he wants Ukraine to win the war
During the first presidential debate, the former president said he wanted the "war to stop" when asked if he wanted Ukraine to win against Russia.
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As opposed to what, exactly? Like, even in your wildest fantasies, how does this go exactly? Ukraine reclaims all of it's lost territory, including Crimea somehow, and then negotiates peace. For now. Oh, I guess that's not enough then, is it? So what, does Ukraine seize Russian territory? Does Russia get coup'ed, and the US hand picks someone to be in charge to make sure that Russia is never threatens anyone ever again, like it did in the 90's? Hey, wait a minute...
Sometimes conflicts end without one side being completely annihilated, and no matter how the conflict ends, that's how it's going to end. Ukraine can negotiate for security guarantees, but what that would look like exactly would have to be worked out in the negotiations that aren't happening.
Well you've decided how I fantasize it will go, so I guess I don't have to tell you. Congratulations on your psychic powers.
I made a guess, if I'm wrong, explain it to me.
You didn't make a guess, you told me what is not enough for me. Don't try to weasel out of it now. You're clearly not interested in knowing what I think.
Lol, ok. So you don't have an answer, got it.
I do have an answer. You told me what it was, remember?
You're playing games to avoid answering because you can't.
If you apologize for putting words in my mouth or someone else asks me, I will answer. Until then, we'll just go with your mind-reading answer.
I apologize for putting words in your mouth. I intended what I said to be a supposition, not an actual claim of knowledge regarding your beliefs, but I can see how it could've been interpreted that way.
Now if you would please answer the question.
Sure. Your concept gives Ukraine nothing and Russia everything. A better negotiation would be that Russia returns to the borders that were negotiated with Ukraine after they gained independence, borders they agreed not to cross if Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, and in return the world will lift sanctions against Russia. Everyone gains.
How does that prevent Russia from attacking at a future date? It seems like your objection to my proposal that it would only stop the war, "For now" is just as much of a problem in your proposal. As such, I think that it's an invalid objection and can be dismissed, seeing as you seem to be perfectly happy with a proposal that contains the same possibility, if it's the one you prefer.
So, that being the case, I submit that an agreement where the killing stops is mutually beneficial to everyone, not just Russia, and that throwing more draftees at fortified Russian positions is not worth the potential territorial gains.
You're a fucking coward and you speak like a child.