Lemmy world vegan community - Future of community update
Hi all, I'm one of the mods that apparently caused lemmy.world to melt
down for two weeks. It's a lovely sunny Sunday arvo, and I'd much
rather go catch the last rays of sun in my garden than write about
mod drama. Alas, I must have sinned in a past life.
Today the lemmy.world admins made a follow up post about the incident
where the admin Rooki interfered with moderation of this community in
a way which was determined to be against lemmy.world TOS and factually
incorrect. Throughout this incident there has been no communication
with me, nor to my knowledge any of of the other moderators of this
community. Rooki quitely undid his actions and edited his post to
admit fault however there was no public acknowledgement of this from
him. In fact I wasn't even told I was reinstated as a mod which is
quite funny.
The lemmy.world admins' response appears more focused on managing
their own reputations and justifying similar actions in the future
than providing a good environment for vegans, and other similarly
maligned groups. Their statements about wanting to handle
misinformation and overreach better in the future ring a bit hollow
when they won't take actions to address the anti-vegan circlejerks
under their update posts which abound with misinformation and
disinformation.
The legalese written basically allows for the same thing to happen,
and that if it does the admin decision is to stand while moderators
have to quietly resolve the conflict at the admins'
leisure. Presumably with a similarly weak public apology and barely
visible record correction after the fact.
This community already has a fairly high moderation burden, with many
users coming here in bad faith and getting outraged when they are told
to take it elsewhere.
I have spoken with /u/[email protected] and
/u/[email protected] and we are of the opinion that given the lack of
assurance that admins with an axe to grind wont interfere in the
future this is no longer a space we are interested in moderating and
can't in good faith recommend as a place to host a vegan
community. Instead we would recommend that users come to
[email protected] (note, not federated with .world, make a
local account), additionally [email protected], [email protected], and
[email protected] are well moderated and run.
Mods are just glorified internet janitors though, so if any current
mods or users want to take over the responsibility of primary
management from /u/[email protected] they are welcome to do
so and should get in touch. Otherwise I think the consensus is to
close this community for now.
Finally I'd just like to express gratitude for the great effort put in
by the users here. In particular /u/[email protected] you are a bloody
champion for trying to get a better outcome here, we all appreciate it
immensely.
Also personally I've had issues with precisely one user on hexbear (the one who accused me of being db0 in disguise lol) and none from ml. I don't always agree politically, but that's true for every lemmy instance.
Tbh I have difficulty understanding the drama around them. Hexbear in particular is fantastic for vegans (vtc aside) as their COC specifically requires certain vegan-forward stances, which they recognise as part of a liberation struggle.
Hexbear is fine until you openly disagree with them. When you do that you get banned for vexatious reasons.
Hexbear is also an oxymoron in itself, supporting Putin's Russia while also claiming to support LGBTQ+ rights. Frankly, it's a bit of a honeypot.
lemm.ee is lovely, meanwhile :D Federated with almost everyone, no bullshit, and an admin developer who knows his stuff and supported other instance admins when the shit hit their fans (meanwhile his instance was already immune).
one user on hexbear (the one who accused me of being db0 in disguise lol)
omg. if anyone had any idea what my pre-account-creation exchange with db0 was about, and how you and I have subsequently interacted...
I try to stay out of explicitly vegan spaces, which I think was part of what I promised them when I was granted and account, but it is hilarious to think that you are db0.
So happy .world had serious tech issues sometime after the exodus. I had my first account there, it was a bit of pain to move as I used it for a little, but totally worth it in the long run it seems