Oh man. I never got around to watching it!
This is a great way to bring a Galaxy class ship into lower decks!!
It might be big enough to work as a temporary small space station around a planet or just in some general area in need like a fleet in need of repairs and medical aid.
There are pricy probably admins who might appreciate this, as dangerous as it is.
Care if I post it into the lemmy community or even made the support community?
A lot of the focus here seems to be on the military utility, which is also how I suppose the separation feature was presented in the show.
But an obvious use case would probably have been less dramatic. Anytime two things needed to be done at the same time. Send the drive section to the more distant or dangerous location and keep the saucer where it’s safer, like running supplies or something for a planet.
Don’t know it would have been good TV though?! Perhaps if it was used as a plot device to put the ship in trouble?
Thanks! I don’t have clear memories of that episode, but what you describe rings true. I literally just rewatched Disco S1E3 … and was I like “I forgot about the tardigrade!!” when it showed up.
Relatedly, Disco, and IMO Picard, have oddly underrated first seasons which may actually be the shows’ best, with deeper problems, for some fans, coming in as the show goes.
Oh yea I know. In the context of TNG though, where everyone else has US accents, Picard’s Britishness goes up to eleven on that word.
And they're all strong points in Discovery.
But I'm not just talking about ethics, but the delivery of Sci-Fi/Star Trek drama about ethics. I don't think any of the cited examples dug into their issues in the same way, and for me, as well, with the exception of the Vance-Osyraa negotiation (that was wonderful!) ... and all I'm trying to do is use the episode to articulate, even for myself, why I feel the way I do about Discovery.
But in contrast, this lawyer (Neera) won by mainly by being a good lawyer (albeit in a tv legal drama kind of way). Setting things on fire with the first witness to create a bunch of fog and doubt about the premise of the case, realising that other important regulations impinge on the case and setting up testimony to substantiate the effect of those regulations.
My memory of most other officer-lawyers is that their methods tend to focus more on the moral "issyew" (Picard's pronunciation of "issue" in Measure of a Man).
Yep ... I was thinking of that episode when I wrote the post. Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough memory of it to get into details, and I might find you to be right on a re-watch.
Nonetheless, my memory of the episode is that it wasn't really about anything "ethically meaty". It might have been enjoyable or interesting, but it seemed primarily character driven, inline with your summary of it (Burnham's character especially and the dynamic of her immaturity, stubbornness and determination/ambition), which would mean it isn't really relevant to my thoughts or as a contrast with SNW S2E2 ... ?
Watching SNW S2E2, I couldn’t help but contrast it with Discovery … my thoughts.
Reposting this from the SNW S2E2 thread as it was removed by a mod for being “off topic”.
SNW S2E2 spoilers and a Discovery critical perspective
So I’m not the biggest fan of Discovery. I would say I’ve found it a disappointment and I’m sure I’m not alone in this. I don’t want to convince anyone here of this or even get into the arguments, in part because there’s still a lot I’ve liked about the show and what they tried and the fact that it ushered in more trek!
What I did want to talk about, just in case anyone finds it interesting or agrees … is that this last episode of SNW (S2 ep 2, ad astra per aspera) feels like a perfect demonstration of what Discovery was missing.
Sure, using a court trial as a vehicle is a bit tropy, but for a reason, it works. The story and premise of the trial, while not particularly deep or even well rooted in character, worked. It made sense, had human and political plot elements to it and was delivered well most importantly … all of which is what, IMO, Discovery often lacked and instead would often just cross the line into being on the nose.
I don’t want to be negative against Discovery here. It is what it is and has its fans. I just want to express as someone who didn’t vibe with Discovery that this is what was missing for me, and I’m very pleased to have SNW!
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Watching the episode it felt like writers etc had reflected on Discovery and wanted to do the progressive, ethical stuff differently, and maybe they were trying to do it better too.
IMO, what the writers managed to pull off was successfully weaving personal stories and inter personal dynamics with the ethical issue, which, in combination with the court room drama structure, allowed the issue to be explored and unravelled organically. From what I’ve gathered from my own reflections and speaking to others about Discovery, part of the difficulties some of us have had with it is its tendency to resort to speeches/monologues to digest dilemmas. For someone like me, it was tonally off putting, because it took away my ability to feel like I was exploring the issue myself either sympathetically with individual characters or logically/philosophically.
With this episode, part of the reason it works, IMO is that Una’s trial takes us through the issue, not any one perspective, character or speech, demonstrating each character’s personal connections and biases while also allowing the issues to stay in focus.
Plus, it was cool to see Neera being a badass lawyer! Maybe I just like legal dramas too much!!
Thoughts? Am I being too harsh on Discovery?
No. Lemmy doesn’t allow you to follow mastodon accounts or any personal accounts, incl lemmy accounts, for that matter. Similarly, following a lemmy community from mastodon, while possible, generally doesn’t work well.
Kbin provides parallel interfaces to both threaded and microblog content that works well.
Generally though, it’s an unsolved problem trying to unify the whole fediverse into a single interface.
It will be interesting to see if lemmy will evolve to enable some sort of user based following. At the moment, keeping things simple with community subscriptions is part of how lemmy is developed.
Discovery critical perspective
So I’m not the biggest fan of Discovery. I would say I’ve found it a disappointment.
I don’t want to convince anyone here of this or even get into the arguments, in part because there’s still a lot I’ve liked about the show!
What I did want to talk about, just in case anyone finds it interesting or agrees … is that this episode feels like a perfect demonstration of what Discocery was missing. Sure, using a court trial as a vehicle is a bit tropy, but for a reason, it works. The story and premise of the trial, while not particularly deep or even well rooted in character, worked.
It made sense, had human and political plot elements to it and was delivered well, most importantly … all of which is what, IMO, Discovery often lacked and instead would often just cross the line into being on nose.
I don’t want to be negative against Discovery here. It is what it is and has its fans.
Just want to express as someone who didn’t vibe with Discovery that this is what was missing for me, and I’m very pleased to have SNW.
Well, SNW predates DS9, right, so this seems consistent with and even complementary to continuity, unless there’s something in TOS I’m missing.
It’s showing zero posts because she has never interacted with a lemmy community, or at least done so while your instance was subscribed to it.
This is instance visibility, a weirdness that affects all fediverse instances.
Ooh … how did you purge them from your user numbers? Many other admins might not know how to do that … maybe worth sharing?
Yea I'm unclear on whether commenting counts as being active. I would guess that it does.
You have a point, especially as lemmy defines "active" as a user that has at least posted once within the relevant time period. So yes, lurkers definitely wouldn't count toward the active user count (mastodon and the like use different metrics AFAIU).
It’s funny. It seems there’s an inversion with this compared to TNG era trek, where the first season is often a write off.
I agree with you and feel the same way about Picard S1. Something about how streaming era TV is run, at least with the particular mood and aspiration that Star Trek has, seems to benefit from the pre-production planning, and suffer under the loss of season to season production.
Instance Meta - Is this instance getting flooded with spam bot accounts?
So, lemmy seems to be flooded with spam bot accounts at the moment. Look through the table of servers on fedidb (https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy) and notice how there are these huge instances without any active users (MAU).
Also notice how startrek.website has 9000 users for 276 active users this month.
From memory, when I signed up, there was no email requirement or captcha or anything.
Admins ... maybe you want to tighten things up?
PSA: Jeri - Seven of Nine - Ryan is active on the fediverse!
Just in case you didn't know ... she's on mastodon, has probably been here longer than you, and is active (she once actually replied to me!!!!!).
https://mastodon.world/@JeriLRyan