Yeah...at best they're just useful idiots for the powers that be to exploit/point out as "look they are all crazy."

Having dealt with them, they seem utterly committed to both parties being bad because they both serve capitalist ends and the ruling class (which is true tbh), but then fail to grasp that while both sides aren't great, one side is at least doing SOMETHING positive while the other is actively trying to destroy things.

Just from a climate standpoint, at least the Dems are passing some kind of legislation about green energy and agree it exists, whereas the Republicans deny it and want to cut all remaining protections. This leaves us with two options: either these people want things to get worse out of some desire for change acceleration (yikes), or they really are just that stupid and can't see any difference.

But also, you are literally killing Palestinians by saying these things - join me in waggling my finger at the government to feel better about yourself!

The problem, of course, is that they have opted for the self-destructive course and lash out uselessly at people who want change but have been forced to look at the reality of the situation and try to reduce damage as much as possible.

What they are doing now, calling anyone who votes Democrat a genocide supporter, is a prime example of that useless lashing out, as it isn't productive, particularly in a rather small online space.

It's probably best not to bother - these people want things as shitty as possible as fast as possible to make the revolution happen sooner or some shit

Unlike the Republicans, I am of course being facetious in my statements, though, one could make an argument such a thing is already occurring with Police and minorities...

That said, the plans Republicans have put forward absolutely do include the outright killing of "pedophiles," with "pedophile" being defined as "any person that distributes obscene content to minors or espouses "sexually explicit things to kids," effectively allowing them to kill drag queens or LGBT+ people as their very existence is labeled as obscenely content for minors.

I don't know why the Dems don't drop some of their gun control policies, but its not an issue I'm really super concerned with either way compared to other things.

Yeah...its so obviously bullshit, which sucks, because I agree it is terrible what is happening in Gaza, but these mouthbreathers don't seem to grasp that the world isn't an easily defined place and solutions aren't ever easy (inb4 I get one of them screaming "JuSt sToP vOtInG fOr ThEm" or whatever, lol).

"Fix your goddamn country"

Ah yes, let me just snap my fingers and fix all the problems of where I live lol

Another day, another smattering of "leftists" in safe blue states trying to be armchair activists while folks in red states fight to not be hunted for sport by the ruling class.

I'm sure glad it's easy to hide behind "both parties bad" or whatever nonsense they come up with this time.

Sigh... we both know this isn't going anywhere. Neither of us will give in because both of us feel strongly about our positions and will not budge on them because of our feelings that we are doing the right thing (and no amount of saying I support genociders will change that).

Anything you say that's less than Russia totally pulling out of Ukraine I can easily say is supporting genocidal dictators in the same way you say voting for the Democrats is supporting genocidal regimes and we can keep going back and forth ad nauseum, so I'll save us both the trouble.

Just remember, the average American is wildly less socially conscious than you'd like to believe, though the fact that so many poor factory workers are anti-union should make that somewhat self-evident. Whatever you plan to do better be a bit more compelling than just talking about Muslims a world away to the decidedly closed-minded rural population of Middle America.

Yup. There's no other reason to not want the Republicans to get into power, besides the climate, immigration, and Israel, no siree. Not a single other thing that might impact my day to day life

And there's not a single thing the Dems have ever done that's good. Yup.

Ah, the classic tankie defending Russia, the country with the constant historical instances of brutalizing the nations around it.

I guess it sucks that Russia can't simply smash Ukraine like they did last time in the 20s, because nothing bad happened after Ukraine was subjugated a decade later lol

Oh, who am I kidding? You probably don't believe the USSR did anything bad.

As for your other statements: I'm going to operate under the idea of protecting the people I know vs those I don't, as there is basically nothing I can do to stop the problem, and I've already determined that going with the less damaging to them option is the superior one to not. I'd be happy to have an option that both keeps the people I care about safe AND stop genocide, but if I can't, I'm taking the next best thing - it really is that simple.

If you can't accept that and want to call me a genocide lover, go off lol, your words are worth as little as the next person's.

Nah, Himmler was too into the whole "German super race" and occultism - too "out there" for me personally.

And your flippant use of "you support genocide" to random people at the ballot box really helps the average person see the values of ditching capitalism.

Cute.

I'm certain the Palestinians we save from genocide will be thrilled to starve to death the next climate-change induced famine hits because we didn't try to minimize the damage.

Do as you like I guess, just don't be surprised if the planet cooks us alive before the revolution happens because we didn't try to minimize damage in the interim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Are the Dems exactly as damaging as Republicans? There's not a shred of difference between the two at all? You can't think of anything that makes the Dems better? OK lol

See, here's the problem: all you are doing is ignoring the wishes of another trans person. If we want to go with the magical route of a single person can be representative of an entire group of people, then I'd be able to accept your request. However, we do not, and what I am saying is true that trans people will be harmed by me not supporting Kamala. Not every single trans person cares about this issue as much as Palestine, which is fine, but there are at least some who do, so my stance is valid.

Hell, we can go further if you like: I could ask you to not let my Ukrainian friend be killed by Russia when the Republicans cut off support for it and the anti-air systems go offline.

There are no shortages of tragedies in the world that have no easy immediate fixes, and sometimes simply reducing the damage is the only option; other times you can't do anything, and sometimes the lives of one side get weighed against the other. Shit sucks

Ehhh...Himmler had more power than I do. I'd be more of a faceless Nazi bureaucrat stamping the train schedules.

And I applaud your work - however, surely you must understand the risks of a second Trump presidency, given what you do.

And all my "supporting for genocide" amounts to is being stuck with a two-party system. I only "support" it insofar as I must by the virtue of my vote going to the party that enables it (the only 2 with a chance to win do). I made my peace with choosing to accept that the US foreign policy apparatus is going to do these things regardless of which major party is in power, and the best option available of the two is the one that doesn't have a giant playbook for dismantling the few positive things we do have when they take power.

Contrary to what you may think, I truly do largely agree with many of the things being said here, BUT I have determined that the costs of effectively allowing Republicans to win by protesting and not voting for Kamala poses too great a risk to the things I care about. If my sin is weighing the lives of Palestinians today over the millions of climate refugees and minorities that will be harmed or killed by Republicans seizing power in the election, then so be it.

Do you have any other points besides not wanting to assist in harm reduction?

Thats all this amounts to if we aren't trying to fix the system and going for a revolution, so I still see zero reason to not simply pick the least damaging options until that happens.

Me? Not a whole lot if I'm being honest. I'm more focused on local issues in my deep red state to really worry about other things. "Put on your breathing mask before assisting others" or however the safety tag reads