He is not "protecting his homeland". He is flying around the world telling people that he does that, that he protects democracy and so on, while people are trapped in his prison, kidnapped off the streets and sent to the meatgrinder.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat

Funny, because it's exactly the same with Zelensky and unfortunate Ukrainians who haven't managed to escape his regime.

I guess it's kinda obvious in my case :)

Hey :)

Ukranian governement is not fascist, nor with a dictator.

It is both. Zelensky's regime ticks almost every (or just every) description of fascism from wikipedia. He is a dictator. Even your comment in the next sentences doesn't DISPROVE it, you merely try to JUSTIFY it.

Posting a random video, with a story, without providing a single fucking source (that isn't russian propaganda).

I (re)posted dozens of such videos already, where my compatriots who haven't managed to escape Zelensky's murderous regime either fight kidnapping attempts from TCC, or try to escape or are getting caught and busified.
This was described countless times in western media https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/10/03/ukraine-is-employing-increasingly-controversial-methods-for-mobilization_6728127_4.html and I actually just found out it is also described in wikipedia now, including the word busification https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis, and yet there is always someone to deny it. As for my sources, I mainly take it from Ukrainian telegram channels, where people post those from first sources.
"Ухилянт Iнфо": https://t.me/+ECYgfpxkTz4zOGNh
"Ховайся": https://t.me/HOVAYSY
"Реальний Київ": https://t.me/kievreal1

But Ukrainians are Russian bots now, right? How dare we, not willing to die for your interests?

You also insinuated zelenski is exterminating his people, which is insane

Why? He literally forbade people from leaving the country, kidnaps people one by one off the streets and sends them to their deaths. How is this not an extermination? Every moment he remains in power is a moment he exterminates more and more Ukrainians, if he won't be stopped he will kill everyone.

Fuck the government unless that government is a fascist one with a dictator, then that is okay of course

What? I just criticized a fascist government with a dictator, and you accuse me of not doing that? 🤦‍♂

And what is "insane" in my comment?

Eh, and as almost my every comment like this one, it got reported from LW user with reason "pro Russian bot" :/
If you think that caring about peoples' lives and posting evidence of human right abuses is somehow a sign of a person being Russian, or just something that is worth a condemnation.. What kind of mental gymnastics routine are you doing every morning to still consider yourself a good person?..

For all the people here "supporting Ukraine" because you know, if Putin captures Ukraine then he will genocide Ukrainians and all that - this is exactly the same narration that Zelensky's regime is using to kidnap people and send them to the meatgrinder (kill them). A video from Kharkiv where TCC attempts to kidnap people from a bus scaring them with "Russian World" coming to Ukraine: https://files.catbox.moe/c72hez.MP4

People in the bus are accusing them of being "a traitor to the motherland" and telling them to go fuck themselves. But you know better what those people should do, right? They all should go and die for your wild fantasies of "but but but Putin will invade the whole world if we don't stop him (well, not you personally of course, why would you go and fight your wars, but you know, Ukrainians)".
After all, Zelensky said that Ukrainians are willing to fight, and he would never lie, right? All the videos, articles in your western medias about people NOT wanting to fight but still being exterminated by Zelensky's regime, etc are fakes.

I hope he will keep his word and finish the war in Ukraine.

Saving millions of lives will probably make US democrats and all the other sadists very sad though :)

I disagree, Europe needs to never cede Ukraine at any cost—anything else is rewarding the warmonger

Yeah, why would Europe do that? After all its Ukrainians who will continue dying after being kidnapped off the streets and forbidden to leave the country.
Enjoy your life, and don't think of hundreds of thousands dead people (not like you ever did that of course)..

The Americans are going to get out of this war,

I just hope he is correct

Thank you.

No, I meant Ukraine as a country could surrender.

Well, it just so happens that I care more about people, actual living humans, their lives, and not countries.

I believe kidnapping citizens to fight is basically an express draft.

I believe kidnapping people and sending them to die is kidnapping people and sending them to die.

Not that this conversation matters. Neither of our opinions matter.

Well, that's true I guess. Like most/all of the "battles" in comments. I just don't think there is something more I can do to stop Zelensky terrorizing people, other than try to convince randos on the internet to stop supporting his regime :(

Trump will stop support

I sure hope so, this is the only (realistic) outcome where my family and friends and every other Ukrainian survive.

will becomes west Russia

I don't think so, that's just a scarecrow the west is using to continue the war.

I'm sure they will be kidnapped off the streets and drafted to go fight another war somewhere

1. Doesn't happen in Russia on an even remotely similar scale.
2. People in Russia "under Putin's boot" can always leave the country (and of course go to the greatest country on Earth with the most benevolent leader - Ukraine). People in Ukraine are Zelensky's slaves.

I'm sure they didn't treat Ukranians poorly

Well, now Russia definitely does treat us better though. Those who are in the liberated cities are the lucky ones who can freely move around.

Make them die?

Yes, exactly.

They can surrender themselves right?

How? Surrendering in modern warfare is super hard, you will either be droned by enemy because they mistake your surrendering for attacking, or by your side for surrendering.

As long as they want to fight I see no reason not to supply them with the means to usurp the oppressers.

Sure, supply those who want to fight. You do know though, that people in Ukraine are given no choice? Zelensky forbade people to leave the country (and he is way more successful at keeping the western border safe than eastern one (that is, from people wanting to escape this hell) - weak against strong ones, and strong against weak ones). Zelensky's regime kidnaps people from the streets and sends them to the meatgrinder. If you care about "helping people fight against oppressive regimes" you should support those people, not the ones terrorizing them.

I recall they said the same about Hilter. It was called appeasement. Don't accept bullies demands. Period.

Then go sign up for foreign legion and go make sure Putin loses. Don't make Ukrainians die instead of you for your wild fantasies.

Ah yes, the usual undefeatable argument of libs/dems/whatever - if you don't like us slaughtering people you know, then you are fascist, dumb and most importantly a Russian bot and fuck you. 🙃

Yeah, that's a monkey paw wish. His "ending the war in Ukraine" almost certainly means giving Putin whatever he wants.

Even if you are right (I don't think so), so what?

How is this worse then what is hapenning now (to Ukrainians)?

Inb4 probably some delusiomal fantasies about how Putin is gonna invade the whole world, etc. :/

The best news in the last three years! :)

I just hope that he will follow through with quickly finishing the war in Ukraine.

How will this work?
Aren't arbitrators compensated from fees?

Well, it seems that we won't come to an agreement here.

As I said, for me mass forbidding people to leave the country is unjustifiable. If some regime does it, whatever the reason, it deserves to be destroyed, and I wholeheartedly support the destruction of that regime. I wouldn't like to live under such a regime and wouldn't wish it for other people.

And yeah, I'm not going to stop caring about mine and other people's freedom :)