Biden Is Putting Arab Americans in an Impossible Position
Biden Is Putting Arab Americans in an Impossible Position
Only 17% of Arab American voters say they will vote for Biden in 2024, according to a new poll.
Only 17% of Arab American voters say they will vote for Biden in 2024, according to a new poll.
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Man the amount of people in this thread that can't understand that some people don't want to vote for someone who is supporting a genocide of their own people. "But Trump is worse!" Well, yeah, but this is still pretty fucking bad, and were I American I'd hesitate to support it too. It's not like most of these people will vote for Trump, they'll just stay home or vote for a 3rd party.
Those comments make me so angry. There is a genocide being perpetrated on Arabs in Palestine, and Biden is actively defending it. It should be absolutely no surprise that Muslims and Arabs are not going to vote for a genocide denying turd actively trying to fund and arm the perpetrator.
For real, Democratic administrations can't go and have whatever abhorrent policies, including actively supporting an ethnic cleansing, and turn around and go "the other guy is worse, actually. And if YOU don't vote for us it's YOUR fault if this country devolves into fascism"
That is not what a functioning democracy looks like.
The USA has not had a functioning democracy in a very long time.
I would argue never
Someone just replied to me saying exactly that. Bravo!
It should be absolutely no surprise that Muslims and Arabs are not going to vote for a genocide denying turd actively trying to fund and arm the perpetrator.
I can't see how voting for the guy who's going to fund and arm the perpetrator anyway, while using racial slurs to describe you and get you kicked out of the country is any better.
voting for the guy who's going to fund and arm the perpetrator anyway
There's your reason right there, everything else literally doesn't matter. Would you be surprised if a Jewish person didn't vote for a Holocaust enabler, even if the alternative was someone else who was even more antisemitic?
I also don't see where you're getting Muslims are going to vote for trump from, they're just going to stay home. This is what democrats are best at, blowing minority support because they lack a backbone. If Muslims will suffer either way, why should they even participate?
"Vote blue no matter who" is a moot point to many people, particularly minorities, who will continue to suffer either way. Biden is supporting the murder of Muslims, how could they stomach bubbling his dumbass zionist name on election day?
There’s your reason right there, everything else literally doesn’t matter. Would you be surprised if a Jewish person didn’t vote for a Holocaust enabler, even if the alternative was someone else who was even more antisemitic?
I'm not saying that they have good choices available. And again, I completely understand your point. But you continue to ignore the reality of the situation. In your example, it's like asking the Jewish person to vote for a Holocaust enabler vs. a Holocaust enabler that actively wants to put them in the gas chambers. Neither one is a good choice by any stretch of the imagination, but even given two extremely bad choices, why choose the one that has a much higher chance of bringing the hate directly to your doorstep?
It's the classic Sophie's Choice. But in this case, rather than having to choose between one child or the other, you're essentially advocating for an alternative where they both die.
I also don’t see where you’re getting Muslims are going to vote for trump from, they’re just going to stay home. This is what democrats are best at, blowing minority support because they lack a backbone. If Muslims will suffer either way, why should they even participate?
Staying home is a de-facto vote for Trump. Especially in a swing state like Michigan. And if Biden were to take the side of the Palestinians, he'd be alienating the entire Jewish population instead. Taking a neutral stance would probably just end up pissing both groups off. While I don't necessarily agree with the position Biden is taking on this, I also understand that there was never an option available to him that wasn't going to piss someone off.
“Vote blue no matter who” is a moot point to many people, particularly minorities, who will continue to suffer either way. Biden is supporting the murder of Muslims, how could they stomach bubbling his dumbass zionist name on election day?
Once you start throwing around extremist rhetoric like "zionist", I stop paying attention. And I'm still not sure where essentially supporting a man who is openly and unapologetically racist against Muslims and wants them all deported is considered a good idea.
Yes, they're being asked to throw up in their mouths a little while voting for the least bad option. I don't deny that. But you have to understand that if you don't do that, you're going to get someone who's even worse.
First off:
I'm a zionist - Biden himself, literally
Second: It shouldn't be hard to understand that Muslims want to send a message, a Biden loss would result in introspection in the democratic party (if they have the wherewithal, highly doubtful)
Third: Plenty of Jewish people particularly in America do not unconditionally support Israel as Biden has. All he had to do is force humanitarian aid through in return for further aid. Which would allow the least amount of anger from both sides.
Instead he has decided to completely ignore the very legitimate grievances of one side while fully endorsing the other. Which is exactly what the GOP does, do they enjoy wide Jewish support?
Lastly:
Once you start throwing around extremist rhetoric like "zionist", I stop paying attention
Thanks for discussing this in good faith by calling my reasonable grievances "extremist rhetoric". This is exactly what is alienating Muslims. Perfectly proving the point.
First off:
I’m a zionist - Biden himself, literally
Second: It shouldn’t be hard to understand that Muslims want to send a message,
And the message you'll be sending is that you're perfectly OK electing a President who actively hates you and wants you deported. In what universe do you think Trump is going to be any better for the Muslim community?
a Biden loss would result in introspection in the democratic party (if they have the wherewithal, highly doubtful)
No, it'll cause them to wait and say "I told you so" when Trump makes your situation exponentially worse.
Third: Plenty of Jewish people particularly in America do not unconditionally support Israel as Biden has. All he had to do is force humanitarian aid through in return for further aid. Which would allow the least amount of anger from both sides.
It would have done no such thing. It would just cause both sides to demand answers as to why Biden isn't trying to step in and interfere on their behalf.
Instead he has decided to completely ignore the very legitimate grievances of one side while fully endorsing the other. Which is exactly what the GOP does, do they enjoy wide Jewish support?
Again, you are advocating punishing Biden for his decision in all of this by advocating for the re-election of someone who will not only do the exact same thing anyway, but someone who also actively hates you. You continue to fail to understand that there is no scenario where going down that path is in any way going to work out well for you. You are advocating not only making the situation worse, but electing a man who has campaigned on bringing the hate directly to your doorstep.
Lastly:
Once you start throwing around extremist rhetoric like “zionist”, I stop paying attention
Thanks for discussing this in good faith by calling my reasonable grievances “extremist rhetoric”.
No, I called your use of the word "zionist" in that context extremist rhetoric.
This is exactly what is alienating Muslims. Perfectly proving the point.
Calling you out for using extremist rhetoric is "alienating muslims"? Or is it just not agreeing with you?
It's the difference between a "genocide enabler" and a "genocide enacter". It should be clear which is even the smallest bit worse.
Ask yourself this:
Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem against the wishes of virtually everybody outside of Israel. He has repeatedly attempted to ban Muslim immigration altogether. What do you think Trump would have done in Biden's position? Be realistic.
Trump would have done the exact same thing. Heck, he may have sent over some fighter jets himself. There is no situation where Trump would have handled the situation in a way that would have better benefitted the people of Gaza. If anything, he'd have used the Hamas attack to re-enact and justify his Muslim bans.
You realize that Trump and the Maga cult will do the same exact thing right? Evangelicals think Isreal has to be there for their rapture to occur? They also pump the military industrial complex more so than democrats do but you think voting for the literal Christian Fascist will end better for Arab populations? And not voting just gives more power to trump. Honestly I get there is a lot of emotion here but you can't be that fucking stupid and short sited right? I hate what's going on but we still live in a dual party system and unless you genocide half the US population that's not gonna change anytime soon. Maybe in 2028 if all unions can get their contracts to align and effectively create a general strike legally we could finally see some change but it takes time.
Jesus Christ.
Everyone knows that Trump sucks more.
Both are zionists, both enable genocide, both treat Muslims as second class citizens. Muslims are dehumanized, ignored, and suffer either way.
Nobody's vote is a guarantee, what part of that is so hard to understand?
Not voting for Biden, is not voting for Trump, it's sending a message to democrats that their position is untenable and needs to be revised. You can pretend all you want that all Americans have the luxury of voting for a lesser evil. That option does not exist for Muslims after October 7th.
I absolutely will never vote for a psychopath that enables the starvation of over a million of children. Regardless of who those children are, regardless of what political positions are held by that individual.
Don't blame Muslims when Biden loses. Blame Biden for making 1.8 billion people, including millions of Americans, hate him so much they would sacrifice anything to see him lose.
Don't blame Muslims when Biden loses. Blame Biden for making 1.8 billion people, including millions of Americans, hate him so much they would sacrifice anything to see him lose.
No I will because we have billions starving all over the globe, genocides in China, Russians trying to take over Ukraine and destabilize our governments and you are just happily playing along because you do not understand you not voting is fucking voting. You are not making a point by ensuring we go into fascism, you are actively enabling fascism. I blame religions in general for where we are today and people's lack of ability to realize they are complete bullshit. How many more may die of your inaction? If Biden wins and we make sure we vote in proper representatives, then we can still work to better the situation he isn't a fuckikg dictator like trump wants to be if you just throw up your hands and let democracy die there is no chance at aiding this situation or making it better. You are eating into the right wing propaganda that causes you to vote against your interest but go off on how you aren't being an enabler. Fucking idiots this world is filled with, absolute morons.
The simple fact is that Biden and his administration can immediately provide relief to millions of innocent people by forcing Israel to allow humanitarian aid and a humanitarian ceasefire in exchange for further US funding, as opposed to the carte blanche funding, support, and military aid we are currently giving to them as they ethnically cleanse gaza.
All of the other problems are out of Biden's reach, he can't stop the genocide of the Uyghur people, he can't force Russia to give up, and he can't feed the "billions" starving around the globe.
If censoring Palestinian and American Muslim voices and actively chaperoning a genocide isn't fascist to you, then I don't think you understand the term.
I absolutely will never vote for a psychopath that enables the starvation of over a million of children. Regardless of who those children are, regardless of what political positions are held by that individual.
Congratulations then on enabling an even worse psychopath to take office and hurt even more children around the globe through his decisions. You're deciding that whatever happens under Trump vs whatever happens under Biden doesn't matter to you, it'll be the same. I'm not pleased with Biden here either, but if Republicans gain power, a lot more people are going to suffer.
Not making a choice is still making a choice. You don't want to actively vote for a lesser evil, so you pick the option that may enable an even greater evil. It's a myth that when there's two lesser evils, you can choose to pick none -- because that in itself is a lesser evil.
Frankly. It's selfish. You don't want to dirty your conscience, and you're content to let a lot more children die and experience hardship because of it.
Man, the amount of people in this thread that don't understand downballot exists, and that's the best tool to force direction changes within upballot. I always vote for the least worst on the upballot and exclusively progressive+educated in the downballot.