His “joke” is the least of our issues. His behavior and communications with us has been all over the place—saying one thing to us while saying something completely different externally; recording and leaking a private phone call—to the point where I don’t know how we could do business with him.
I loved the commentary on that exchange from hackernews.
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The rule that you shouldn’t build your business on someone else’s API obviously applies here and in the end Reddit is of course justified in choosing to shut out third party apps. But I must say it is simply hilarious that their exorbitant new price was so absurd that when devs quoted it back to them as a buyout rate, Reddit felt like they were being blackmailed. I mean that’s literally getting offended at your own number.
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He's right. If you think the golden goose lays $x/yr and the guy offers it at $.5x and it offends you, you've got a problem with yourself.
For fuck's sake dude, sorry that you wanted to only quietly out that you're an asshole and he made sure we all know what a giant, gaping asshole you are.
WHEN I AM AN ASSHOLE I HAVE THE EXPECTATION THAT OTHER PEOPLE KEEP IT PRIVATE
spez is a straight up narcissist that uses the same playbook as the rest. it's so evident with the gaslighting, blame-shifting, and smear campaign. at this point, anything he says should be understood to be a tactical play in gaining control by seeming powerful, "on your side," or requiring pity as a victim. his mind is deranged, so he has no other capacity.
Spez comes off as a narcissistic little pissbaby. Blaming the apps/devs that made Reddit what it is, rather than actually looking at ways to make the site better for everyone.
He then answered a question on the Apollo dev situation and my god, he just dug the hole deeper. He has no idea the public perception of him and reddit at the moment, and then he continues to slander the Apollo dev with no facts or anything to back up that Apollo dev did anything wrong.
For NBA fans, he's got some real Steve Kerr energy there too, more concerned about the recording of the call than anything else, like when the video of Draymond punching Poole came out.
Just like most high profile AMA's on reddit. But yeah it's pretty obvious theres a lot of money to be made here and as a mouthpiece for this company they arent going to give a lot of straight answers. Honestly I'm not sure why theyre even bothering with an AMA instead of just an announcement addressing concerns but they want to keep the reddit image I guess.
That image is dead and buried and has been since the site became one of the biggest on the web but what are you gunna do.
This is making our switch to Lemmy feel quite justified, isn't it? Although even if Reddit was still in good shape I think the potential of a decentralized platform is much better. I probably would have migrated here whether this shitstorm happened or not.
I want the fediverse to succeed. I love the idea of a less centrally-controlled approach to social media, because we've all seen the problems that can create. But I'm worried that the influence of authoritarian-leaning developers could be a serious problem.
Why would that be a serious problem? The code is open and it can be hosted by anyone. The moderators of a single instance are nearly meaningless to a federated system. That's the whole point.
To put it another way, what problems do you think the devs being tankies might cause?
Can just make an account in another instance (like you´ve done in Beehaw) or kbin I suppose. So far I haven´t seen anything that makes me uncorfortable with lemmy.ml, but given all these smaller platforms are on a trial period for me I have no qualms moving if needed be
I disagree with the feditips account. I think he's pushing people away from lemmy rather than the specific instance. I've had no issues on lemmy.ml and the mods here have been great. I'm pretty sure he's just referring to lemmygrad. And like the other user who replied to you said, you could always make a new instance or join another. The political opinions of the devs means nothing if the platform is decentralized. Unlike Reddit, they don't have power over the entire platform, just whatever instance they host, just like if I made an instance, which I can, I have complete power over it.
Mad, mad props to Apollo's dev for being so transparent about it. Guaranteed they thought they could bully him into staying quiet about it and then closing up shop. He told them to pound sand and controlled the narrative. That man needs to do documentaries or reporting. Meticulous, knew how to talk to a crowd, and not afraid of corporations bullying him.
I think the real answer has to be that he gave them real numbers he expected them to pay. They all said wtf no but he promised similar numbers to his investors from the official channels.
People who are doing better then him (profit wise) at his own game bailed when asked for things he promised to deliver.
pretty shocking really. I feel like a bit of prep to have some answers written up by someone who knows how to spin things would have fooled at least some readers. especially those who weren't following the whole drama up til now. but it was a comprehensive loss for them.
He just answered a question about their accessibility issues with basically "oh we're working on it". Come the fuck on dude that shit needed to be in place before you did all this and to be frank reddit's got a history of lying about that stuff too.
I'm shocked spez gave redreader a shout out as still trying to work with them.
That's an other dev (quantumbadger) I would expect to be honest with his community. He'd been pretty vocal in earlier updates that he wasn't going to be able to pay them at any price since his app is FOSS and distributed as source.
Quantumbadger already put out his update. Summary is that he's exempt from the new costs but we're losing distribution channels which need source (ie fdroid repo) so he doesn't publish his keys.
Kinda wish the peanut gallery would stop posting a little bit. Like a little engagement is one thing but this literally already has more than 2,000 posts in 20 minutes of people piling on and going "uhuh!" "yeah!" "HE WONT DO IT!" "He hasnt answered to this complicated post yet".
Like it's so much noise that when and if he does inevitably reply to things it will be buried.
Also why are people celebrating the big questions by giving them reddit gold and awards? Doesnt that cost real money? I dont see the sense in going
"Yeah screw reddit! You tell this lying dirtbag!" and then giving reddit a few bucks so a little icon appears next to their name
I'll admit to a little shitposting in the AMA thread to be fair, but mostly to promote Fediverse alternatives where people are asking where they can go.
I mean, you can just look at spez's profile to see what he's repsonded to. That's where I've been looking.
As for the awards thing, for some reason reddit has always done that. I'd bet 99% of the gold spez has gotten over the years was given in anger, which makes no sense to me, but it's something they always do
@lemillionsocks@Two9A There's not really any substantive conversation to be had. It's very obvious that they just did this to kill all 3rd party apps. Spez just continues to dig his grave with obvious lies that users can see right through.