I'm pretty sure Reddit admins are silently censoring people who discuss the Trump/Zelensky interview.
I'm pretty sure Reddit admins are silently censoring people who discuss the Trump/Zelensky interview.
My understanding is that mods can silently remove content from their subreddits, but it will still show up in your comment-history. However, admins can silently remove content and it will NOT be in your comment history. Well, when I'm logged out, I noticed some of my comments were "removed" but when I'm logged in they show up. Looking at the comments more closely, I don't believe they broke any rules...at least not site-wide rules. I received no notification that they were removed either.
Further, these comments ALL related to the Trump/Zelensky interview. I get the need to moderate online communities, but there's something particularly dystopian about quietly censoring someone for expressing political-speech you don't like, and doing it in such a way that they (theoretically) don't even realize they've been censored (if they're not weird paranoid fucks like me). You've just secretly put a bubble around them, all for the crime of political speech you don't like.
Here are some screenshots to verify what I'm saying:
https://i.imgur.com/kff8INQ.png
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And so the same thing happened when I posted this exact post (above the "...") in another sub on Reddit...one I participate in regularly. And here's how that looks:
Yup that's shadowbanning for ya.
I think it's only on certain subreddits though?
So /r/law was in the link above as [removed] and I just tried posting something VERY innocuous there, and here's what happened within SECONDS:
And it doesn't happen always on /r/marchagainstnazis, after the BS:
dude, your comments are full of insults and cuss words… i don’t disagree with anything you said, but saying “you’re all fucking idiots and trailer trash” and that sort of thing will totally get you banned there….
banned on most lemmy communities too….
anyways what they did is called shadow banning… a lot of times if you tell a troll they’re banned, they immediately log in with a different account to continue trolling… if you shadow ban someone they’ll think nobody commented and give up… it’s evil though, to use it on people who are actually trying to express an idea, even if it’s crass….
but to save you some trouble:
ALL of the big subreddits are trash, run by shills, and full of bots and astroturfing… the smaller ones are still a good resource, but i mean… posting on conservative leading with “i’m not a conservative” is asking for a fight….
it’s not wrong to do… but it’s wrong to expect them to reasonably engage you.All against Plebbit, their admins are evil, a lot of power mods are human garbage, and one shouldn't contribute to that cesspool.
But I saw about a billion of anti-trump comments. /r/NonCredibleDiplomacy, /r/Ukraine, /r/UkrainianWarVideoReport. If yours were removed as you say, it's mods, sure as fuck not admins. Mods, rather often, just remove anything they fancy, especially anything that vaguely resembles controversy or a potential headache. No clue if you were wildly out of context or stuff either.
People only learn what censorship really is when they starting to speak unsanctioned opinions.
And just like that, free speech is really speech that is approved by the owner class. They can't mod bots and bad faith actors but they sure as hell on it when "wrong think" is shared.
I am talking out of my ass, i don't have access to data... but there is a reason why so many here has similar experiences that led them to fedi.
Reddit is dead to me. 15 years of use and it's now a nazi, right wing shithole. Eventually, all left wing users will be banned.
I left it cold turkey when I made my account and it really seems like it has just gotten noticeably worse since then.
What would be the motive?
I'm so glad I left the reddit shithole.
All social media is shaped to not upset powerful people and the noisier aspects of the right wing.
Yup. Was permabanned for "advocating for violence" by saying a certain green hatted man was justified in his actions. And before that, a week long ban for directly quoting Rump's unhinged rambling during the debate to make fun of what he said.
All mainstream social media is owned by the rich who support the fascist coup and work to protect it.
I haven't kept up to date with Reddit, but it is also my understanding that removed comments by mods are not removed from your comment history, so this looks like something site wide.
Also user-targeted automod actions (the mod-level version of shadowbanning) were a pain to set up, so it's more likely to be at the admin-level if it's happening in multiple subs.
You can message the mods of one of those subs to ask why. Many will probably assume you're being removed for a good reason and ignore you, but someone will probably be willing to say "it's not us". Humanize your message as much as possible. Mention your account age (if it's not young) and that you see comments staying up in other subreddits.
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With time, you will see Reddit gradually shift right. Pro Israel comments are going to be prevelant everywhere and censorship is going to take a drastic turn for the worst.
Wait you mean like Facebook and every other thing that starts off as smart people being in the know and ends with the unwashed (metaphor for education and using historic language, not jabbing those without) masses taking the red pill and making the intelligence just noise that gets drowned out as the agenda matches on??
Idk it's weird it's almost like that's 100% of human history!
My understanding is that mods can silently remove content from their subreddits, but it will still show up in your comment-history.
That's actually very unethical, no matter where it's done.
You should either let someone's effort be seen, or prevent them from making the effort in the first place.
But having them waste their time by doing the effort, and then having it not be seen, in essence fooling them, is very unethical, and intellectually dishonest.
I'm a huge fan of Lemmy's public mod logs. They are crucial for keeping miderator action above board and if someone is power tripping the evidence is there.
I'm a huge fan of Lemmy’s public mod logs.
I am as well, truly. Sometimes it's even just entertaining to go read those logs for a bit, to see how people are, and what gets them or their comments banned.
If anything my problem with Lemmy is an under/lack of moderation, but that's neither here or there for this discussion.
The point of shadow banning is to waste the time of bots.
And not to censor human beings? At all?
The point of shadow banning is to waste the time of bots.
That makes no sense. Detecting shadow banning can be automated.
Have you tried checking on another computer without having logged in the Reddit first, to see if the comments are actually there or not?
Also, have you tried checking via one of the third party websites that check for shadow banning?