A representation of words derived from Latin
A representation of words derived from Latin
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Is PIE something like proto-indo-eurasian, or just something to do with pies?
it's not eurasian because the family is centered around europe and only extends to about india, chinese/japanese/korean are a separate tree.
I haven't heard of people screaming about pies in someone's face, so I think it's safe to assume PIE means proto-indo-european :)
and while I'm at it, how do I pronounce *h3?
There's a bunch of guesses on how *h₁ *h₂ and *h₃ were pronounced in this Wikipedia page. They're usually defined by their effect in child languages though, so it's possible that some of those were actually multiple sounds.
For *h₃ you'll often see values like [ɣʷ] or [ʁʷ]; a labialised consonant (to explain why it often turns nearby vowels into [o] ) and voiced (as there are some claims that it voices nearby consonants, mostly Cowgill's Law)
My personal guess for *h₃ is completely heterodox, [ɸ]~[β]. I think that it's directly associated with *b being so uncommon in PIE.
Wow, that article is all proto-indo-european to me!
- Happy Lemmiversary
- I wish we could follow individual users because I could listen to you talk about PIE aitches for the next couple thousand years
Thank you! Sadly, I don't talk too much about PIE in Lemmy because... well, it's kind of a niche subject that most users don't care too much about.
Feel free to ask for further info on stuff, though. I do enjoy talking about it!
They're called Laryngeals, and no one really knows how to pronounce them, from what I can tell.
Edit, there are two theories on how to pronounce them:
Rasmussen chose a consonantal realization for *h₃ as a voiced labialized velar fricative [ɣʷ], with a syllabic allophone [ɵ], i.e. a close-mid central rounded vowel. Kümmel instead suggests [ʁ].