[Meta] How does mods remove posts based on sources?
[Meta] How does mods remove posts based on sources?
My post got removed despite it being from a reliable source (Ukrayinska Pravda- Media Bias/ Fact check.)
I am not looking to participate in a community where mods remove posts based on their feelings about the source, there needs to be a proof to the mod claim.
Why did my post got removed in this case?
How is the source unreliable, what is the mod proof for that?
Pravda, citing numbers found on Facebook, which have NOT been confirmed by anyone is NOT a trustworthy source on anything related to Russia or Ukraine. Full stop.
I should remove this post as well as we don't allow meta posts, but I'll allow it in the interests of transparency.
Honestly what the fuck jordanlund? These numbers are the official numbers from the Ukanian ministry of defense:
https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2024/09/24/the-estimated-combat-losses-of-russians-over-the-last-day-1400-persons-61-artillery-systems-3-anti-aircraft-systems/You do good work as moderator, but this is a mistake, and you should change it.
Asking just because you didn’t specify - you realize the source was Ukrainska Pravda (privately owned, not state-run) and not Russian Communist Party owned one? And that the Facebook post was from official account of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
I do realize, feel free to read the actual article here:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/09/24/7476472/
"Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Facebook"
The Source isn't Pravda, the source is a Facebook post. Yes, I removed it, no, I'm not apologizing for it.
Transparency posts in good faith should always be allowed (assuming the community doesn't get overrun).
Maybe more descriptive removal reasons would be helpful?
You are basically judging by your feelings instead of proof.
Those numbers are literally used by every news outlet reporting on that matter because they are believed to be the most accurate numbers.
Anyway, I guess you are too locked in your power position to understand the problem in your mod action.
I am not going to contribute to a community where the mod is building his kingdom instead of volunteering for the community.
Good luck on your power trip.
That removal was bullshit IMO. I was puzzled and thought OP removed it himself, when it suddenly disappeared.
I'm honestly shocked that a mod removed it, apparently based on nothing but personal prejudice.Edit for clarity:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ is one of the best sources we have for what's going on in Ukraine. And in my experience it is highly reliable.Honestly, I still think he saw “Pravda” and thought it was the state-run Russian Pravda and made his decision off that - and has been rationalizing all that ever since rather than admit a mistake. Look at what he commented on the deleted post:
I think in these situations it’s best to message the mods directly rather than the community.
Welcome to the internet. IDK about the mods of this community specifically but generally there is no accountability.
Just leaving this here https://lemmy.world/post/20121030
I think it's because of their charged wording:
Under this criteria (using loaded words) most posts here should be removed, I always look for news outlets that publish boring titles, but simply that is very rare that the community will be empty if it was really applied.
Recent example in this community is NYT:
That's a general description of left-center sources, so that would mean banning this list https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/leftcenter/
Just scrolling through I found nytimes.com there, so that seems excessive?
oh yeah you're right. I dunno why it was removed then. Best DM mods as to why, or see where this post goes.
still, you should aim for higher credibility ratings.
That does seem quite a bit odd if that's the explanation though. After all, Propublica is left-center as well according to them: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/propublica/
But mods have allowed Propublica articles in the past, e.g https://lemmy.world/post/15997425 and https://lemmy.world/post/5540207
So why would Propublica get a pass despite being left center?
Yes, for sure we can't have charged wording here.
You may be right, but it's still complete bullshit.
The facebook post is from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which is credible in this case and the article is making it clear about the source of their numbers.
Media Bias/Fact Check - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for Media Bias/Fact Check:
MBFC: Least Biased - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: Very High - United States of America
Wikipedia about this sourceUkrayinska Pravda (The Ukrainian Truth) - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for Ukrayinska Pravda (The Ukrainian Truth):
MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: Mostly Factual - Ukraine
Wikipedia about this sourceSearch topics on Ground.News
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ukrayinska-pravda-the-ukrainian-truth/
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/Not mod, but a Ukrainian source writing about Russian losses seems a bit biased to me.
You writing about your own opinion is biased too, does that make your opinion invalid?
pravda.com.ua is one of the absolute best sources we have regarding what's going on in Ukraine.
The moderator is way way off to remove that as an unreliable source.They have a clean fact checking record and if the mod removals is based on bias alone, that will remove a high amount of posts currently in this community.
As I said, mods should not act based on their feelings, they should act only based on proof.
Would you trust the news coming from a russian outlet about ukranian forces?
That's whataboutism and completely irrelevant.
Russia does not have free press, everything from Russia is propaganda.
So it is also a false equivalence.Also by that logic no Western sources are acceptable, because we are allied with Ukraine, and are biased towards Ukraine.
Ukrainian press is as free as russian press, that's why the equivalence holds.
I didn't take any pro-Russia stance, but I doubt "supporting" Ukraine is just accepting everything it comes from their outlets.
We are not recruiting soldiers here on lemmy, and the ukranians in the front line do not hear nor care about your thoughts on their propaganda, so we have the possibility to be honest about both parties' biases, even coming from who we are "allied" with.
Our side of the internet is full of people treating this war like ultras in a football game.
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