Pls explain me like im five : the issue around lemmy's admins or creators.
Pls explain me like im five : the issue around lemmy's admins or creators.
Im seeing a lot of things, on some communities. Like they could be nazis or denying the Uighur's genocide.
What are we talking about exactly.
So pls, explain me like I'm 5 :)
Ty all
Edit : ty all very much for your answers. Morality for me : clearly don't give a shit sometimes, can help to be mindfull. Basics that's what I've should take care of. Its fediverse. And in bonus they are not fucking naziiiiiii :)
The two biggest contributors to the original lemmy code are pro china and pro russia respectively. No one is sure how strong their opinions are, but there is a lot of fear mongering because their PFPs on GitHub are political. They created the first instance, lemmy, and the second, lemmygrad, using the same ip address.
Now, there's two important things to keep in mind. Lemmygrad, which is a "tankie" (highly political) group, is set up separately from the main lemmy group. Not only does this keep lemmy from being highly political, it also allows all other groups to defederate from lemmygrad while staying connected to lemmy. Most groups have lemmygrad defederated by default.
In my opinion, this is the right way to do things and there's nothing to worry about. But there are some people who think that since the creators are pro china and russia that it could be an attempt to "poison the well" of federation from the beginning. It comes from a biased belief that anything to do with the red scare is bad by default. The creators are not funneling money into political campaigns. They're not asking everyone to agree with their beliefs or pushing their opinions in non political groups. They're not able to remove communities that disagree with their philosophies.
Lemmy's code is open source and it is easy for moderators to block political content if they choose. There's going to be people with differing opinions. People who are socialist, or conservative, or anarchist are capable of creating good things. Plenty of people still buy from chick fil a or nestle even if they disagree with the group's politics. As of now there is no issue. However, reddit refugees are currently sensitive to a) preexisting problems from reddit that could carry over into fediverse and b) leaders disagreeing with their beliefs.
TL;DR: it's something that could potentially be a concern in the future, but isn't a problem right now. With new users on edge it's likely being blown way out of proportion.
Just to add, the devs don't even want lemmy.ml to be the main instance. I signed up there initially but they have a sticky to encourage incoming users to use different instances so I figured it's best to find another in case they get the hug. I stayed there only for a day or two but didn't really encounter the censorship other users are claiming is happening there. There is the modlog anyway to check if there's anything fishy going on . I've had a few interactions with the devs as well and they seem...polite and formal, even welcoming.
I agree it can be a concern, but right now it's not. Remember, many users came from reddit and we all know the controversies that happened there. We still stayed.
I'd say be wary but don't just listen to allegations. See for yourself so you can decide on your own.
I'm clearly agree, this post finally just permit me to be confident on what I thought despite on what I read there and there.
I hope it can help others to clear their mind on this false campaign against Lemmy. I can be agree or disagree with them, they don't act to impose their idea to me and that's the essential.
I will not even read the controversial topic. There is an difference between Lemmy.ml being lemmygrad and hosting on same server two instances of Lemmy (one controversial, one the vitrine). Its not clever but I mean, yoo there is more critical than that. And its free and open source. Its not like an fucking Tesla YO
Ty all.
They encourage to choose other instances because of the load, not because they don't want users to sign up to that instance. If that wasn't explained in the memo, yes, that should have been explained.
beehaw's approach to modering is far worse if you ask me. We wanna filter everything out, so it's simpler if we just defederate from instances all together. So, they defederated from sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world. What kind of an attitude is that. The whole point of having the fediverse is so everyone can connect with anyone, not have 63827383 accounts on thousands of different instances just so you can be a part of some of the communities that have set up shop on an instance that has snowflake users that report every single post they don't like or agree with 😒.
Defederation should be removed as an option of you ask me. You don't like a community? Block it. You don't like a user? Block him/her. Beats the point of having a fediverse if you opened an account on an instance that blocks half the fediverse for one reason or another.
Ty vm, So there is really nothing to talk about..
Lemmy.ml admins are most definitely in agreement with lemmygrad views. They've deleted posts and comments if it could be in any way conceivably anti china, yet allow denial of the Uygur genocide
People are worried because the tankie ideology they thought would be contained to lemmygrad is spilling over into the enforcement on lemmy.ml
There's no lemmy admin, there's only admins for lemmy instances. Some instances like lemmygrad are far left and literal communists, while I'm sure there's already some popping up that have nazi sympathizers.
Part of being a federated service means anyone can start up their own instances. The only thing that can be done is blocking problematic instances.
This is super important to take note of - the whole idea of a Fediverse is that if you don't like a particular community or instance, you can create one of your own that subscribes to your ideals. It's a feature not a bug.
I think a lot of people are going to have difficulty coming to terms with the implications. There are no doubt going to be unapologetic nazi instances out there at some point, if there aren't some already.
I think the benefits outweigh the downsides, but it's something people should keep in mind. You can't just ban people from the fediverse like you can Reddit or Twitter.
I personally can see it both ways. I think the biggest problem we have in society atm is we live in echo chambers on the internet. So having a platform that makes that inherently a feature I'm against.
But at the same time the great thing about the fediverse is I can just roll my own instance that doesn't ban anyone if I wanted to.
So creators ( all or one between many ) of Lemmy despite being ultra left or right, create their own instances to share theses problematics ideas ? And let the principal instance (who is promoting Lemmy ) clean of theses l ?
Sorry my English...
No. Anyone can create a lemmy server and have whatever rules they want. Other lemmy servers can block servers they do not like, but unlike Reddit there is no single admin team that can block someone from all lemmy servers.
Hey, it was me running an instance, I wouldn't even block the nazi ones. I wouldn't allow it on my instance, but I wouldn't defderate. You don't like it? Block it 🤷. I just hate snowflakes 😒.
I wouldn't defederate from any instance, ever. Because there is a simple solution. Block it 😉.
Tough one, maybe I am oversimplifying it but I'll try:
They hold personal beliefs that differ from other communities, and people are worried that they will promote those beliefs on the products/communities that they are involved in.
So they're people who expressed some kind of opinion / belief and people are worried that they might decide to express those beliefs some more on the thing that they built for everyone to have discussions on?
Even if they do promote them, that's their right, as much as it is our right to promote capitalsm and/or democracy... others may promote anarchy, nazism, etc. Hey, it's their right 🤷. You don't like it? Block that community/user, it's that simple.
Fediverse is diverse. Curious to see how it plays out.
I honestly don't care about the political views of the administrators as long as they keep moderation politically unslanted. The second they add in politics like Reddit did, I'm gone again. Real freedom of expression is allowing everybody to have their opinion. As a writer I know that freedom of expression is one of the few things that make life worth living.
That's why I got my own domain in the end, because I was tired of social media censoring me.
And the great thing is, if the admins turn into spez, we can just defederate them and bobs yer uncle. That's what makes this better than reddit.