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  • What is "spiritual bypassing"?

    Also, go ahead and call me a snowflake, because I do take issue with the "I never owned slaves" bit in the racism section. Not only I've never owned slaves personally, my ancestors were third class citizens until 1917. But fuck me for being a whitey I guess!

    • it's more that you're shrugging your shoulders as if you don't still benefit from being white just because you or your family didn't own slavery

      the blasé not my fault, not my problem attitude

    • I think applying this concept universally is wrong and you raise an important point. Many Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, and Iranians may well be considered as "white" in first world concept but this does not stop "israel" bombs or bullets and it does not stop US/NATO sanctions siege.

      Obviously there are white Russians and non-white Russians. But has their skin color has protected people of Donetsk Mariupol or Kherson from nazi bombs?

      Yet the head of US terrorist military and general of AFRICOM are black American men and the CIA hires "latina mothers". Such organizations are responsible for mass murders of black Africans on weekly by NATO proxy death squads. I have even seen leftists truly express wrong beliefs that Palestinians are actually "oppressing" black "israelis".

      I find it interesting that this chart has so little to say about global international imperialist depopulation extermination campaigns.

      This tells us that imperialism is not based on race but something else. And perhaps that the exporting of NGO-ized discourses out of their first world contexts is not helpful.

      White Americans and Europeans are consistently some of the most insufferable humans I have ever encountered and that is how I understand the relevance of this meme. We know that the great satan and other arrogant powers France, UK, etc continues to exploit and enslave and kill nationally oppressed people for hundreds of years inside their own borders and this is the context of chart. One day soon they too will be free of satans clutches insha'allah.

    • i think the implication regarding "Don't blame me, I never owned slaves!" comes moreso from the fact that descendants of white people not wanting to address that their ancestors had owned slaves and to make up for it.

      Just because your ancestors had owned slaves but you don't doesn't automatically absolve you from the fact that your ancestors had caused damage to the ethnicity that white people took slaves from; and that you should address it, admit it was horrific of them to do so and to make up for it.

      now, idk if your ancestors had owned slaves; but if they didn't, good on them - this doesn't apply to you specifically. but it would still be cool if you tried to make lives better for marginalized people.

      • Just because your ancestors had owned slaves but you don’t doesn’t automatically absolve you from the fact that your ancestors had caused damage to the ethnicity that white people took slaves from; and that you should address it, admit it was horrific of them to do so and to make up for it.

        So I'm damned by the virtue of being born white? I'm not even Anglo. Pretty sure none of my ancestors ever had anything to do with anyone of African descent. Unless you count the ones that lived in USSR and through their labour helped African nations. But I've re-read your comment twice, and I guess it doesn't matter?

        • I don't see it as a "sin" per se. As a white person living in a society dominated by systemic white supremacy, it is your responsibility to undermine that white supremecy and do what you can to make things easier for POC.

          Asking white people to feel guilty is liberal idealism. I think it is important to acknowlege the history, then act in what ways one can to fight white supremecy.

          If one feels alienated that there is more representation by people that are not white in media, imagine how all media of non white people feel in that similar vein, but it is only straight white male protaganists.

          If you look even deeper into whiteness you'll see that there is litte there in terms of culture except white supremecy. If you want cultural ties perhaps one should culturally bond over something other than treating people like shit. The less you care about your whiteness the less people complaining about white people will bother you. There is no reason for any part of your ego to take pride in how white you are. If you find yourself clinging to that, find something else wonderful about you to take pride in, so you can let go of that toxic pride.

          • He’s not in the United States. How is his society built on “white supremacy”? How is anything you said relevant to anyone outside the US or anglosphere?

            His family had nothing to do with owning slaves because their society never interacted with the slave trade in any way. In fact, there’s a strong chance that his white ancestors were literally slaves themselves in the Russian Empire. I know mine were.

            Also where does he have “toxic pride”????

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