What are some non-ML movements (past and present) that you guys strongly support?
What are some non-ML movements (past and present) that you guys strongly support?
Me personally, I find the EZLN fascinating. (if there is anything bad about them, let me know because I do not know much bad things about them)
They are one of the few movements that anarchists praise that I actually think are based, although the Zapatistas have told westerners to stop calling them anarchists, communists, or anything else.
They also fight against drug cartels and seem to have created one of the most stable territories in the Chiapas region.
However, they are too small to do anything big like overthrowing the Mexican government. They would be crushed quickly.
Give me your thoughts on the EZLN and/or, as the title suggests, any non-ML movements that you support.
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US abolitionist movement
Did someone legitimately downvote the abolishment movement???
Dang didn’t know Lemmygrad was pro-slavery /s
I blame Wisconcom
Wisconcom?
New Florida education policy about slavery already making waves
Probably one of those wandering libs.
Or mistook it for the anti-alcohol one. I know I did, until I read your comment
If I remember right prohibition was actually pretty based. Alcohol was a tool of oppression whether in sedating factory proletarians or getting indigenous people drunk to make it easier to steal their land.
Manhattan for example means “the place where we all became intoxicated.”Source I vaguely remember:
Yeah, but prohibition was absolute garbage since everyone was STILL drunk, just now the alcohol supply was owned by the Mob.
Per one journalist’s study, it took a maximum of 10 minutes for a “tourist” “out of towner” in any city in the US to find alcohol. The record was a 30 seconds when the cab driver of one city immediately pulled out beer from a compartment in the cab when asked where to get alcohol.
Sure, alcohol wasn’t eliminated, but it was progress. Back before prohibition people drank alcohol like water, and the fact that most don’t anymore is good (not that there aren’t widespread substance abuse problems of other types). I suggest you listen to the Gastropod episode.
I have before, but the reduction in alcohol drinking primarily came from the restriction, rationing, and lack of ingredients during WW1 and WW2 as opposed to Prohibition. It had a worse inverse effect, all it did was force drinking underground and made it a taboo topic to discuss.
Prohibition increased alcohol stockpiling which allowed most people to “ride out” the initial wave, and by the time many stockpiles ran dry, the mob and local moonshiners has established a strong enough network to maintain supply.
Funnily enough, one bar stockpiled so much alcohol prior to prohibition, that they were able to legally sell and advertise their alcohol for the entire prohibition since it was legal to sell Pre-Prohibiton alcohol.
I guess prohibition didn’t really succeed, but it doesn’t mean it wasn’t worth supporting.
I feel like any sort of prohibition is one of those things that sound incredible on paper, but rarely have any logistical or material chance in succeeding, and end in an ultimate failure.
It’s better to undermine the societal and cultural mechanisms that purport the problems posed by things like drugs, sex, and alcohol; rather then trying to magically ban it and create a criminal element out of a portion of the population.
I'd rather support the prohibition of advertising alcohol. That alone would probably destroy the market in a generation.
Exactly. Target alcohol as the cigarette industry was targeted.
Don't ban it, but associate it in people's minds with cancer, pain, alcoholism, drunk driving, death.
Agreed. This the best way to go.
Doesn't Manhattan mean "The place where we get our bows from" in Munsee? I don't know if your meaning is correct
That’s weird, I swear I heard that in the podcast. Shoulda checked.
Same with coca in the Latin American gold mines in the 16th and 17th centuries
maybe we could be very very generous and assume someone downvoted it for the slight typo
it was probably some chud though
Well, there were some problematic abolitionists. Some only wanted slavery gone because they were scared if there were too many slaves they would rise up and threaten the whole settler project.
True, but those are usually left in the dustbin of the movement.
When you think of abolishonist, you think of Fredrick Douglass, John Brown, William Garrison, and Harriet Tubman, etc.
I mean, abolition wouldn’t have happened without a full blown revolution if not for some bourgeois interest in it, and these people certainly had a decent amount of influence to be able to do things like colonize Liberia, but no that is not who we remember fondly or even at all often.