it's good to look in the mirror and understand the material outcomes of voter behavior
it's good to look in the mirror and understand the material outcomes of voter behavior
I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
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Y'know what this thread has made me realize? All the dumb memes of "the left fighting the left" are bullshit. I can respectfully debate other people on the left with me. I can change their minds about some things, they can change my mind on some things, we can come to compromises. I don't agree with the communist 100%, but I agree with them at least 70-80%, and would happily work alongside them to accomplish that 70-80%.
You know who loves infighting though? Centrists who have deluded themselves into thinking they are leftists. You can find comment after comment in this thread from right-leaning centrists, gleefully demanding that they were "right all along" and how everything is our fault for just not being as smart as them. There is no political group that loves infighting as much as them, even more than the fascists. They want to spend the next four years trying to find out all the ways they can assign blame to the left, instead of organizing and doing anything.
I can tell you as someone who lives in a deeply left state, in a very left city that there are absolutely unfathomable levels of infighting amongst the left. Almost my entire family and work are also very left.
I am basically surrounded by varying degrees of leftist people 24/7 and I have lost count of the times I have seen someone start to question the Ideological homogeneity of the left only to be "corrected" by several others around them. It's almost cult like watching people stamp out individual thinking in real time.
Anyone who dares think about something even slightly differently is either yelled at to step back in line or they are immediately cast out from the group.
I have witnessed this first hand from several old leftist friends and I have talked to other moderate lefts who have seen the same behaviors over and over.
Hell even moderates on the right love watching you guys push out people who were on your side so they can welcome them in with open arms. Nobody converts questioning leftists into full blown right wingers quite like the left can.
The left only wants your vote if your vote is exactly the same as their vote.
The right doesn't care how much you agree with them as long as you vote right.
Really funny after you remember the horrible phrase "vote blue no matter who" that the left loved to chant.
I swear y'all are your own worst enemies sometimes.
Liberals thinking they are leftists refusing to realize they are actually conservatives in everything but brandng, but never having the dawn of enlightenment on that they are wrong, not the people who have been using the terms for centuries.
The irony in this statement is palpable.
Oh hey it's the liberal troll who is smug and hates everyone who doesn't blindly agree with their favorite leader.
How goes the stalking and alienating your allies?
The irony in this statement is also, palpable. Non-voters that blame ACTUAL voters for trump aren’t allies.
Sure bud. Lemme know whenever we can criticize the people you pay to bootlick.
It’s fucking hilarious how, suddenly- the protest-vote/non-vote ignorati are pleading with everyone to unify- while ignoring the fact that they were the ones that told us all to fuck off when we were trying to rally everyone to stand against the exact thing that that resulted from Their bullshit protesting.
I fucking called it!
I said that they’d all disappear after the election, and then return as victims of their refusal to unify against trump- and that is exact what is happening.
I hope they all enjoy the bed they made. I sincerely hope the cacophony of all the suffering they caused doesn’t keep them awake all night.
So is that a "no you can't criticize my Dear Leader"?
I don’t indulge bad faith manipulative questions that are asked for the purpose of building a straw man.
That's ironic coming from you. Lemme know whenever you block me like .ml blocks anyone who doesn't think North Korea is actually poggers or whatever.
Now we come to the party where I ask you to explain with evidence to support your accusation of my being “ironic” for saying I don’t entertain bad faith questions- and you either disappear, or side-step the request all-together.
Seems all you can do is accuse people of being “bootlickers” when you’re backed into a corner.
That depends on what you want to accomplish.
If the only thing that matters to you is going to the polls every 1-2 years, than non voters are meaningless.
If you want to transform society. Voting is only one vector. Unions, mutual aid, protest, consciousness raising, and so on don't have anything to do will polls, and non voters can be valuable allies.
Yeah, "left-unity" has always been a red flag for me. Most of the time, when someone talks about "left-unity" they are usually either authoritarian leftists who will historically shoot you in the back, or liberals who expect you to always support them but refuse to compromise with people on their left.
Every time. I don't listen to people who call for a "left unity" as it's actual tankies wanting to kill anyone who disagrees with the new state, or it's liberals who want to replace "Bad Thing" with "Slightly Less Bad Thing with maybe a Woman"
Either way, it just replaces the problem with a new one.
hell yeah dude! im glad my post was able to set the stage for this realization :)