Israeli historian Ilan Pappe: ‘This is the last phase of Zionism’
Israeli historian Ilan Pappe: ‘This is the last phase of Zionism’
Pappe talks to Al Jazeera on ‘neo-Zionism’, ceasefire talks, the second coming of Trump and ‘indoctrination’ in Israel.
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Published on: 14/01/2025 | 00:00:00
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Ilan Pappe, 70, is a leading Israeli historian, author and professor who has spent much of his life fighting for Palestinian rights. Pappe: We are in a state that one can define as neo-Zionist. Historically, such developments in ideological movements, whether they are colonials or empires, it’s usually the final chapter [that is] the ruthless one, the most ambitious one. And then they fall and collapse. Al Jazeera: We are days away from a new political landscape as Donald Trump heads to the White House for a second time. I don’t think all the Americans are supporters of Elon Musk. In the long run, I think it can lead to less involvement by the United States in the Middle East. The Global North has left such a legacy that very few people would regard anyone from the Global North as an honest broker. Al Jazeera: Currently, there are ceasefire negotiations. When do you expect Palestine will enjoy peace? Pappe: Hopefully, there will be enough power to if not stop it, at least tame it or limit it. There are developments regionally and globally that allow this phase to continue. The rise of populist politicians like Trump, the power of multinational corporations, the rise of fascism, the level of corruption in some of the Arab countries, all of it works in a way that sustains a global alliance that allows Israel to do what it does, but there is another alliance. There are two things: one, we don’t have an organisation that kind of contains this goodwill, the support, the solidarity, this energy to fight injustice Seeing Jews in Palestine could be an objective both of the Zionist movement and anti-Semitic movement. Now there is a new layer of uniformity of ideas between the neo-right and Israel, and this is Islamophobia. The new right is now, although it has still strong anti-Jewish elements in it, it’s targeting mainly Muslim and Arab communities. I wrote an article warning that looking at the Israeli curricula the next graduates of this system would be racist fanatics, extreme and dangerous to themselves and others. I was absolutely right. This is the product of a very indoctrinated society from the cradle to the grave. You need to re-educate these people. You can’t just show them things and hope that this would move them.
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