The genocide in Gaza is as American as it is Israeli. The U.S. won’t stop it.
The genocide in Gaza is as American as it is Israeli. The U.S. won’t stop it.
The desire for a ceasefire in the United States, certainly among Democrat voters, is clear. So why does the U.S. continue to act the way it does?
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Yeah, and the Jews were there before that. Welcome to history, where the people owning a land can change.
Fact is, Israel was formed on top of land owned by the Ottoman Empire, not the Palestinians. Britain won it as spoils of war, just like the Palestinians did long ago. Then the Palestinians went to war and lost again. It's just not their land anymore.
If war is a legitimate way to gain land, then Israel legitimately exists and it legitimately owns Palestine.
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Again, nobody cares where the jews were when the Roman Empire existed. In that logic we need to roll back the entirety of the last several hundred years. That's patently ridiculous.
It's also ridiculous to say Britain won it so now Isreal gets to exist, when the Irgun drove the British out. It's doubly ridiculous because all of the other colonial projects from the early 1900's have been devolved to the indigenous people. And no, you're not indigenous to an area after living abroad for 2000 years. What makes this slice of the Ottoman empire special?
@Maggoty
@TruthSandwich is a well-known troll. It proved so obnoxious that no other Mastodon instance would put up with it. It had to start its own instance. The fact that it could do that implies financial (and probably political) backing. I've blocked that domain, so I can't see what you're responding to.#Palestine
#Israel
#genocide
#hasbara
#zionism
#CrimesAgainstHumanityJust like nobody cares that the Palestinians controlled this territory before they lost it. All that matters is who has it now.
The UN decided to partition Mandatory Palestine, with part of it forming Israel and the other forming an independent Palestine. However, the Palestinians rejected this, went to war, and lost.
When you go to war and lose, it's not your land anymore.
It's also not the 1700s anymore. We don't do the whole wars of conquering land anymore. Israel does not get a pass on that.
Are you confused? WWII was in the 1900's, not the 1700's.
And, to remind you, the UN partitioned Mandatory Palestine. Israel accepted this, the Palestinians went to war and lost. Sucks to be them.
Remind me again, how well did that work out for Germany and Russia? They held on to all that land? No? Oh but what about World War 1? Oh that all devolved to local rule or was handled after World War 2? Your best argument here is Poland's radical shift in territory but it was a nebulous concept at best for several hundred years and the territory they shifted onto was literally right next to them, not across an ocean with an entirely different culture already there. So maybe not the comparison you want to make unless you like the idea of inviting Egypt, Syria, and Iran to part out Israel.
You're Gish galloping.
The actual issue is whether, contrary to Iran's slur, Israel is a legitimate nation with a legal right to exist. It is and does, as it was created by the highest international authority.
Cherry-picking historical partitions (thus avoiding India/Pakistan) is a dishonest change of topic.
Gish galloping? What in there was a lie? Words have meaning sir. We live in a society.
And if you want to bring in the British then fine, they did that without consulting anyone, it was not the preferred solution by anyone except extremists and it resulted in wars and ethnic cleansing. Oh hey look it's just like Palestine! There's a pattern here...
And clearly the people Israel is currently genociding do not care what the Un said about Israel 70 years ago. They aren't going to see an apartheid state oppressing them as legitimate. Nor should they. After all Germany was a country too and I'm pretty sure the German Jews didn't consider Hitler taking power in a river of blood as legitimate either. Legitimacy is something you can lose, especially if it was tenuous in the first place. Like say, if someone was to keep fighting you for 70 years over it.
Gish galloping is more than just lying, it's generating falsehoods faster than they can be refuted, which entails responding to refutations by changing the subject. Like you just did. Again.
New rule: Don't argue with antisemites. Just block them.
I ask again which part was a lie?
Iran denies the legitimacy of Israel. They say it doesn't have any right to exist and their goal is to make it cease to exist, through genocide.
That is why, once again, refusing to call Israel "Israel" and instead calling it the "Zionist state" is a slur and a genocidal threat.
Repeatedly ignoring irrefutable facts is bullshit. Stop bullshitting.
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Good thing your statements are refutable.
BS. If they were, you would have been able to.
I would call the fact that it's literally the name of their ideology a pretty good refutation to your idea that it's some kind of slur.
The problem with arguments based on pretending to be stupid is that people are likely to believe you're really that stupid and just write you off.
Go back to my example of "capitalist state" and you'll see that your stupid nonsense argument was pre-refuted.
pre-refuted? lmao.