Ok but what is an actually good solution to the whole AI art debacle?
Ok but what is an actually good solution to the whole AI art debacle?
I heard about C2PA and I don't believe for a second that it's not going to be used for surveillance and all that other fun stuff. What's worse is that they're apparently trying to make it legally required. It also really annoys me when I see headlines along the lines of "Is AI the end of creativity?!1!" or "AI will help artists, not hurt them!1!!" or something to that effect. So, it got me thinking and I tried to come up with some answers that actually benefit artists and their audience rather that just you know who.
Unfortunately my train of thought keeps barreling out of control to things like, "AI should do the boring stuff, not the fun stuff" and "if people didn't risk starvation in the first place..." So I thought I'd find out what other people think (search engines have become borderline useless haven't they).
So what do you think would be the best way to satisfy everyone?
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As another user pointed out, as long as capitalism has control, there will be no good solution.
I think about it this way: does knowing art is AI generated take away from the experience?
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If the answer is yes, then it simply will never take over. As long as we have some sort of law that requires art to be tagged as AI if it's AI generated, then I think that would be enough. No need to tag original (human) art with anything, no need for that kind of surveillance, just tag AI art or make companies legally required to divulge if it is so.
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If the answer is no, then I think this is just the natural progression of things. There will always be artists, and there will always be people that want their art to be made by a person. But if most people really don't care if there's a person behind the brush, then it doesn't matter if it's AI or not.
I don't think anyone has a right to what they do. If you're an artist, that's all good, but if your art isn't appreciated, if people prefer AI over your art, then why should we block AI? Just so you can keep making money off your drawings? There's other things you could be doing... Once again capitalism makes it so that hobbies can't just be hobbies, "if you're not making money you're failing", so this isn't a very satisfying perspective, but the reality is that you don't need to be just an artist, you can have a job and draw for fun, post things online, etc.
Ideally, we tell capitalism to fuck off. We already produce enough to feed, clothe, house, and heal all of the world, we don't do it only because the oligarchs choose not to, as it's not profitable. If we set up a system that actually makes use of the value generated by labour, instead of letting the 1% hoard it, then AI would not be threatening any job security, and it wouldn't be stifling creativity or anything, it would just be a tool.
There is the issue of copyright though, since original works are used to train AI. That whole debacle is a can of worms that I will not open.
If the answer is yes, then it simply will never take over. As long as we have some sort of law that requires art to be tagged as AI if it’s AI generated, then I think that would be enough. No need to tag original (human) art with anything, no need for that kind of surveillance, just tag AI art or make companies legally required to divulge if it is so.
I find it hard to imagine that such a law would ever be implemented, even harder to imagine it would be enforced well, and even if both of those happen, that companies wouldn't find ways around it like just oversaturating everything with "may contain AI generated imagery" so that the tag becomes entirely meaningless.
adding a mandatory label doesn't really feel like a good solution to me.
There is the issue of copyright though, since original works are used to train AI. That whole debacle is a can of worms that I will not open.
You had some great points, but then glossed over the biggest issue we have, as artists, with AI. People’s entire portfolios were scraped to train these things without their permission.
First thing I learned in art school is that theft and forgery are the most lucrative careers in the arts. (In hindsight, maybe a red flag there.) If an AI developer came into an artist’s studio, grabbed all their paintings and ran out, you can clearly see that’s theft. Just because the art theft is automated and largely unseen, doesn’t mean it isn’t still theft. People don’t like having their life’s work stolen from them.
Generative AI could have been a great artistic tool, but it’s been tainted for a lot of artists by the blatant, egregious theft at its very core.
Yeah sorry, I just don't know enough about the technology and copyright law; I didn't want to make uneducated statements. I'll read the article you linked though, and thank you for your input!
Just one thing...
If an AI developer came into an artist’s studio, grabbed all their paintings and ran out, you can clearly see that’s theft.
With this, the artist is losing possession of their art. AI doesn't take art away, it creates more art based on original works, right? It's more akin to plagiarism than physical theft, though of course plagiarism is very much theft so I think I get your point.
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