Training Generative AI Models on Copyrighted Works Is Fair Use - Association of Research Libraries https://www.arl.org/blog/training-generative-ai-models-on-copyrighted-works-is-fair-use/
I fucked with the title a bit. What i linked to was actually a mastodon post linking to an actual thing. but in my defense, i found it because cory doctorow boosted it, so, in a way, i am providing the original source here.
in the ethical sense, everything is fair use. period.
So if someone spends decades of their life and millions of their own dollars to creating or researching something, in your opinion, you and everyone else is entitled to the fruits of their labor?
in the legal sense, everything is fair use until it's proven in court not to be.
That makes zero sense. Just because a court hasn't yet deemed that specific action illegal doesn't mean it's not illegal when you do it. Doesn't matter if the crime is theft, rape, murder, etc.
Every web request costs someone money. If you aren't paying them you are being provided a service. They've given you knowledge/ material in their possession free of charge. You are taking advantage of that good will by using the content for purposes not intended. That is a moral failing.
To be clear the ownership of the material is not important, just the access is immoral, as the harm is already done.
Ill add the caveat that it can be moral if they've specifically told you you can via the websites robot.txt file which websites of consequence all have. But the assumption has to be they don't intend this because that is how consent works.
The original post in this chain talked about ethics, I was continuing that conversation.
In terms of free use, I feel the collection/aggregation of the data is a work in itself. You are taking a greater portion than the author specified you can take. Courts have ruled this does not constitute free use when people used yahoo's market data. How is it any different now when people are using orders of magnitudes more data.
Because there is a standard way for people to make their consent known. Just because you ignore someone withholding you consent doesn't mean you are free morally.
That would probably be more expensive than just paying companies. But it is morally different because a human did visit their website so their good will was not violated as they expressed this consent when they published the website.
Yes I agree your use style could be immoral based on the agreement your transaction specifies. But if you've agreed your payment is to access their material then you have consent.
an appeal to ridicule is also called a horse laugh fallacy. it's like writing lol instead of actually explaining what's wrong with the position to which your objecting. this response also reads like an appeal to ridicule. if you can't explain what's wrong with my position, maybe you shouldn't be speaking about my position.
You've already done a fine job of explaining exactly what's wrong with your position. You think you're entitled to the fruits of others' labor. It's as simple as that.
You’ve already done a fine job of explaining exactly what’s wrong with your position
I've only stated my position. I haven't actually provided any justification one way or the other. your suggestion that I have sounds like gas lighting.
Just because a court hasn't yet deemed that specific action illegal doesn't mean it's not illegal when you do it. Doesn't matter if the crime is theft, rape, murder, etc.
theft rape and murder are criminal matters. copyright is civil, and, yes, the courts can adjudicate every individual case.