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Tolerance is nonsensical bullcrap whose only purpose is mental masturbation.
There are things I like and there are things I don't like, deal with it. Can't deal with it? Maybe don't ask me anything and I won't give you answers that might hurt you.
The only thing that matters is basic human decency. Also I can't match everyone's values, me being truthful matters more to me than your feelings do and I won't lie that I like X when I hate X. The common decency comes in like this - I won't tell you I hate X if you didn't ask. This is important in public jobs like medical care, I guess.
If anything, the tolerance-pushing crowd is most intolerant one. You apparently MUST like X even if you hate X and if you hate X you in fact are wrong, which is retarded. I will like and hate whatever I want, fuck you. Streisand effect is also at play. There possibly exist things I absolutely hate but I'm not aware of and it's not like I go outside looking for people to harrass for everything they do in their life.
Edit: When I made this comment, his only said
Tolerance is nonsensical bullcrap whose only purpose is mental masturbation.
There are things I like and there are things I don't like, deal with it. Can't deal with it? Maybe don't ask me anything and I won't give you answers that might hurt you.
He put the rest there to try to make it less shitty
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You sound like someone who doesn't understand the mutual benefit of society in general.
Like sure, have your intolerance. Tell people exactly how you feel without a filter and then tell them to fuck off right after. No one is making you participate in the social contract. The point is that it's a two way street, and you're never going to be the guy receiving the benefit of the doubt.
Just don't be surprised when the only people who want your company are other intolerant assholes like you.
Also, you sound like you can't tolerate my opinion which is different than yours. Pull your head out of your ass and read definition of tolerance again, this world isn't black and white, it's gray and black, but you seem to believe yourself the white one, which is pure evil because anything less than white is not white, but gray, meaning you cannot tolerate anyone who isn't stuck up self righteous asshole like yourself.
Someone who comes to a post to argue against tolerance as a concept, who then turns around and accuses other people of not liking opinions that aren't theirs (read:definition of tolerance), is rather ironic. And a little hypocritical.
Again, you're not exactly coming off as qualified to decide what tolerance is. Especially considering your first words are the personification of the paragraph that you just accused of me.
Anyway, I just came back to point out the irony. Toodles
It isn't hipocritical, you claim to be tolerant, I'm pointing out you aren't. You're a piece of shit as a person and I'm glad I won't see you anywhere but on internet.
Likewise
I'm not obliged to kiss your ass and the more you will try to force me the less I will want to. I don't get paid to filter my thoughts. In fact I don't get paid to tell my thoughts to you at all, and I don't particularly enjoy doing things for free so majority of my thoughts go unsaid, if thats not enough for you, feel free to pay me and I will say whatever you want to hear.
Edit: When I made this reply, the one above only said
I'm not obliged to kiss your ass and the more you will try to force me the less I will want to
Again, he's just trying to sound less shitty. But that's what I responded to
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Your unwillingness to understand what the social contract even is, and that no one is trying to make you kiss ass, underscores your inherent nature to be offended by concepts you don't agree with.
I get it. You are intolerant. That doesn't exactly qualify you to comment on this post, you're just mad.
Anyway, nobody really cares about your opinion. That's the practical side effect of not abiding the social contract and just telling people off. Have fun misunderstanding what this is even about and being defensively pissed about it.
I was born into this world for no other reason than to be intolerant towards self righteous idiots like yourself who do more harm than good with their naive infantile worldview.
Also if you pulled your head out of your ass, you'd notice I've been pretty tolerant of your stupidity, but it can only go so far. I'm not trying to sound less shitty either, I simply added more to my reply, the reasons as to why that you made up in your head aren't my problem to deal with.
In the end, people like you end up full fascist psychopaths who kill people they don't like because that's better than allowing people to say things you don't like.
I was born into this world for no other reason than to be intolerant
Thats really all you had to say. I got it bro
See? In the end you will take things I say however you want to see them and what I actually say doesn't matter. That's why I won't bother with your "tolerance" crap.
You're the one insisting on your own righteousness on a post about tolerance. There's no discussion with you, because it will always end like this.
There's no discussion because instead of making a counterargument, you're concern trolling irrelevant things.
A counter argument implies an argument, which you have not made. You're just here declaring to everyone that it's your right to be an asshole. Is that supposed to be a point?
Besides that, according to you, nobody owes you an argument. We can just do what we want. Don't like it? Then don't ask me questions and I won't give you answers that hurt 👍
So true.
It's this one right here, in case you conveniently forgot. Hypocrite.
I see you editing your comments like what you originally said wasn't just awful. Have fun with that too
What you should really see is a professional working in mental healthcare if you think that people aren't allowed to edit their posts if they forgot to add something.
Nah. You didn't "forget" to add several paragraphs. You wanted to clarify your first two sentences in a way that doesn't make you look like the asshole I called you out for being. Pretty big difference.
But whatever you say
Spoken like a true bigot trying to justify their behavior.
Identity politics don't work on me, you can call me whatever you feel like if that makes you feel better but I'm not going to care or change my opinion because of it.
You appear to have mistaken me for someone who cares about your opinion at all.
You obviously have the right to like or dislike whatever suits you. But tolerance is a requirement for society to function. Our likes and dislikes come from individual perspective, and no one individual can see the whole picture. Tolerance is a way of accounting for that on an individual level by broadening the bounds of what we deem acceptable by some amount, which allows us to cooperate in a broader, complex society. Generally all this means is lending people the benefit of the doubt if they're not actively harming someone.
It's hard to know what exactly pisses you off about this, because you haven't mentioned specifics about what controversial opinions you have, only that you have a right to have them. And fair's fair, some people would take some opinions away from you on social media platforms, or enact harsh penalties for holding hateful beliefs, and I am not really down with that. I'm optimistic about people and do my best to come at these things with respect, and believe in people's ability to learn and grow. I'm wrong and learn things all the time, it's a good thing!
But man, I gotta say that grace is difficult to offer sometimes. I'm trans, and you'd be surprised how quickly "basic human decency" fades as soon as that comes up sometimes. One example of too fucking many: when I came out, my folks disowned me on the spot. They framed much of it in more or less the same rhetoric you use here - personal truth > your feelings, don't bring it up if you don't want my opinion, I can't match other people's values, "tolerant" people are actually the intolerant ones, etc. Between the accusations of autogynephilia and furious bloviating about the sanctity of their opinions, there was no room to just honestly talk - and so therefore, nobody learned anything.
This line of thinking shuts down opposition by dominating the discussion with your opinions and feelings and crying foul when people feel the need to engage you about it. Unfortunately, this presents a brick wall that not only seals yourself from critique, but also seals yourself from having your views challenged and learning more about the world. It's good for no one and only serves to weaken the social fabric of society.
tolerance is a requirement for society to function
No it isn't. Watch this. I stopped reading there because I'm indifferent to anything you have to say about it. And while that may annoy you now, eventually you will realize that it doesn't affect you negatively whatsoever, this is how entire world works right now, you're practically unaware of things happening outside your own street right now, and it works just fine.
Everyone lives in their own small bubble, some people have only their family and their job. Some have that just more friends... But in the end most people pass by eachother without any reaction between one another whatsoever. Everyone has their own problems to deal with and frankly they are busy dealing with them and not caring about others. People who have no problems of their own can go and try pester others about theirs are very fortunate I guess, but that's neither normal nor a thing that should be pushed onto everyone.
Very cute of you, but I've got bigger worries than whether or not internet strangers care about my opinion. Enjoy your bubble.
Did you just... Agree with me? But somehow were unable to realize it?
Indifference won.
Naw, it's just the healthiest way I've found to approach people online. Lead with earnestness and a desire to understand, don't sweat it when people shut you out - helps with finding the good folks in a hostile world. If you're so truly indifferent, why respond in the first place?
No it isn't. Watch this. I stopped reading there because I'm indifferent to anything you have to say about it
Hey wow, I didn't catch this earlier, but you're a hypocrite too. Doing the exact thing here you tried to call me out for almost word for word, right about at the same time. Incredible. You truly are a piece of work
Hey buddy. I just came back here for a second to provide you with a little light reading. You're in this post accusing the "tolerant" of being intolerant towards you, who are intolerant, like it makes them hypocrites.
I just want you to know that this post is explicitly about the paradox of intolerance which states that within society, tolerant people have to specifically be intolerant towards the intolerant, or risk them taking over.
All of the raving you're doing about tolerant people being intolerant of you, and how that makes them hypocrites, is really only demonstrating that you don't understand the concept at all.
You're just mad at a buzz word that you think is synonymous with woke culture, and not the philosophical concept independent of politics that has been talked about for thousands of years.
Feel free to keep being an asshole, but understand that tolerant people calling you out for that aren't being intolerant, they are just calling out intolerance, which is required in a tolerant society. That's pretty much the point.
Just thought you should know on the off chance you might actually get it.
So true.
You're patronizing me, but you were the one asking for logic earlier. Not my problem if you won't utilize the tools someone goes out of their way to hand you ✌️
So true.
So all of that about concern trolling and your purpose being to specifically oppose people who claim to be tolerant, that was just grandstanding, yeah? You're just a concern troll yourself?
So true.
How petty. Here to make a point that you can be an asshole, butt hurt over people calling you exactly what you said you are, insulting people for hours, and now stonewalling because you've got nothing left.
I don't envy the decisions that brought you to this point in life. I hope you find happiness outside of the internet, bro.
Later tater
So true indeed.
Ah, I see. You're actually just bored of losing these arguments and on to be belligerent on another post for no other reason than to argue about the next thing on the internet.
Man, you really are an asshole. 1 day in and picking nonstop fights on obscure social media about some of the most trivial stuff on what you perceive as principle, I guess.
And then just dropping those comment chains altogether when you get bored or cornered. That's fuckin nuts man. Reddit really messed you up huh?
So true.
Feel free to just completely ignore me like you have been for awhile already.
I'm mostly still here because it's just kind of fascinating to see someone so terminally online in this day and age, you know? Especially so that it's here, because the way you argue and deflect seems more reminiscent of someone who argues pointless political garbage on facebook.
How did you find your way to lemmy? Was reddit just starting to be a little to stale for you? Were your usual argument partners just finally tired of your attitude? Or did you get bored and leave them too?
I guess I'll never know. But I mean wow. You don't meet someone so committed to the bit every day, you know?
Go be the internet troll you were destined to be. I will watch your career with great interest, in much the same way a bystander watches a slow, ongoing train wreck