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  • Both options are fundamentally unacceptable to me. There is no conceivable situation where I would vote for either.

    If you're somehow compelling me to act against my will, then, I don't know, I might pick one randomly, or I might pick the one you don't like out of spite, or I might pick the one you do like out of the hope you'll be merciful to me in the future, since in this universe you can apparently control my body against my will.

    • There is no conceivable situation where I would vote for either.

      Since you refuse to engage, let's rephrase:

      Which would be the better outcome, Trump winning, or Kamala winning?

      • Kamala winning, at least in the short term, but it does set a bad precedent if it means the democrats learn they can support genocide and get away with it.

        • And in the long term?

          (Thank you for finally answering)

          • I'm not a psychic, so it's difficult to say, but I will answer Kamala since you are so insistent on unambiguous answers.

            • So in the short and long term, based on our best assessments, we agree the better outcome of this election is for Kamala to win over Trump*.

              Do you also agree that there is an (effectively) 0% chance of a third-party candidate winning this election? That come election night, the winner will either be Kamala or Trump?

              • Yes.

                • In that case, do you think people in swing states should vote for Kamala?

                  • No. I don't live in a swing state, but even if I did, I wouldn't. However, I can respect their decision as long as they respect mine.

                    • I'm not asking about you and your vote, I'm asking about the position and rhetoric you push around here.

                      If you agree that Kamala would be better than Trump short and long term, and that one of them will be president, then how can you, in good faith, advocate for people not to vote in a way that increases the odds of the better option and decreases the odds of the worse one?

                      • Because one being better than the other is not the same as being an acceptable choice. If I'm in a burning building, what fundamentally needs to happen is that I escape. You can argue that the flames on one side of the room are higher than the flames on the other side of the room, but I don't care, because if I stay in the room I'll die. The only thing that matters is finding the door.

                        You asked if I thought a third party could win this election, and the answer is no. But could a third party win a future election? The answer to that is yes, maybe. The results of this election will inform voters in future elections of whether a third party is viable. The most important thing is increasing the chances of getting to an acceptable outcome, everything else is secondary to that goal.

                        In the meantime, voting third party can influence things in other ways. If the Democrats can only win by getting a third party's endorsement, then they can potentially be brought to the bargaining table.

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