This is Musk’s “Reichstag Fire” moment for Twitter.
The rate limiting is not because of “extreme manipulation”, but because of piss-poor code that Twitter deployed as part of their change to only allow tweets to be viewed if logged in. Twitter is effectively DDoSing itself right now. But, it creates an opportunity for Musk to create a narrative.
These “temporary” limits will probably remain inevitably, as they provide another benefit to Twitter - they drive Blue subscriptions. Unfortunately, they also repel free users from using the platform entirely, and at a much higher ratio.
Twitter is going to become even more of a cesspool than it already is at an alarming rate. Crazy how many established social media platforms have decided to crumble at the exact same time.
Oh my god, this is just too funny."The DDOS is coming from INSIDE the HOUSE!"
Elon was right, firing off many engineers didn't cause any DDoS attack from outside- as DDoS attacks are now happening from within
The self-DDoS truly the height of idiocy. It’s been a good couple of weeks watching billionaires who have never faced consequences fuck around and find out.
Oooh, spicy!
I find it especially bizarre that spez took inspiration and guidance from Musk. I can entertain the possibility of Musk intentionally driving Twitter to the ground (though he sure is taking the scenic route), but Reddit? It just seems like the rich tech bros have collectively lost their minds
I really don’t believe at all that he would intentionally drive it to the ground. I can see him claiming that if he manages to actually kill it tho
I'd love a self ddos of Reddit at this point tbh
You can't lose something you never had
I really don’t believe at all that he would intentionally drive it to the ground. I can see him claiming that if he manages to actually kill it tho
They never had their minds. They just now have enough money to make that all of our problems... This is why no one deserves billions of dollars. It makes you go megalomaniacle.
They just don't want LLMs scrapping their websites
Yo for real, what's up with all these social media sites literally shooting themselves in the foot as we speak?.
Youtube planning to antagonize adblock users and limiting video watching, Reddit killing itself with
bureocracystyle and now Twitter doing this shit. Hopefully shit sites like TikTok or Facebook jump on the wagon too.For reddit at least, The money from VCs dried up. They have to monetise fast or go broke.
Elon way way way overplayed for Twitter and the company is hemorrhaging money paying the loans he took out to pay for the purchase.
Google in general is in decline. Ad sales are down as the net becomes SEO'd to death. Marketing teams just aren't willing to pay for Google ads like they used to since the roi isn't there anymore.
Big social media companies are sometimes like lemmings- if one jumps off a cliff, others generally follow it because they did so
The tin foil part of my brain says that they're trying to destroy media ahead of the election so they can control the narrative but really I think it's just that we've reached a point where no one is pouring free money into literally any old internet nonsense and it's turned out that this 'they're selling your data and making billions!' was never actually very true.
They pushed their website as 'we're having massive growth and with enough investment we can dominate the market!' so all the idiot 'angel Investors' threw monkey into it but that can only last so long before people say 'ok you dominate the market, now what?!'
The world is starting to wise up to the fact that online advertising is nearly 100% fraudulent so they aren’t buying online ads as much.
The tin foil part of my brain says that they're trying to destroy media ahead of the election so they can control the narrative but really I think it's just that we've reached a point where no one is pouring free money into literally any old internet nonsense and it's turned out that this 'they're selling your data and making billions!' was never actually very true.
They pushed their website as 'we're having massive growth and with enough investment we can dominate the market!' so all the idiot 'angel Investors' threw monkey into it but that can only last so long before people say 'ok you dominate the market, now what?!'
There are several negatives to the limitation too. Advertisers (which are already leaving in droves) are even further discouraged from placing ads that have a much smaller chance of being seen.
Edit: spelling
Yeah, that's the extra stupid part. Not only limiting the amount of content people can see, but also the ads he needs money from.
It goes deeper than that.
This all started with the API changes. Before they were charging a fair price for the API and companies happily paid it for the convenience. Then Elon got greedy he started charging a ridiculous amount for the API so those companies decided it would be worth it to just deal with the annoyance and switch to scraping the website instead. But when you hit the website it's way less efficient than hitting the API because it's doing a bunch of mixing and ranking which is a lot more complicated and costly than serving static content, which costs a small fraction of real time algorithmic ranking. So now instead of making money off companies that want their data they're losing money on the cloud costs to serve the scrapers.
More recently, they haven't been paying their hosting bills to Google and their service was set to expire at the end of last month. What just happened at the start of this month? They added the limitations. That can't be a coincidence. Now the Google services weren't hosting the site itself, otherwise they'd probably be fully down right now, but it was hosting their trust and safety services for things like fighting spam. That could have also been hosting anti scraper services as well. Since they're so under staffed they probably couldn't swap the services in time, so instead of having anti scraping services like every other big company on the internet, they decided to cut service instead. It's just built up incompetence coming to a head.
It's crazy how many products and situations go wrong because a super rich guy is being greedy
Oh my god, this is just too funnyMuch like the case of Reddit, Musk might want to reflect on who actually produces all the content he's guarding so jealously, and ask himself what's likely to happen to the value of his site if he makes it difficult for millions of us to write all his content for free
I don't think this is that complicated. The hypothesis Musk and Spez are pursuing is that right wingers are easier to monetize because they are stupid. They are basically purging the old, liberal web2.0 userbase, under the premise that they are going to build back something which is more friendly to the conservative social media space.
He just wants a private club with a familiar venue. He knows people like twitter, so he buys it for himself to play king among the plebs and rubbing it into the faces of his "critics" who truly know who he is. Sometimes I wonder if he actually acknowledges the outside world at all since his 5 minutes of fame. Anyways, the emperor has no clothes, and his self destruction is highly entertaining.
This actually isn't right. It's because musk has refused to renew twitter's Google Cloud Services partition, which expired June 30th, and has been (unsuccessful obviously) frantically trying to move twitter's cloud usage to in-house servers. Twitter has been the most popular social media website for almost a decade and never once have they had this issue. As usual everything musk touches turns to shit.
Are we sure on that? I've seen conflicting reports on whether they actually started paying or not (Ex. Engadget article from a week ago says they are). It's not public information so it's hard to verify.
Unfortunately, they also repel free users from using the platform entirely, and at a much higher ratio.
This is really, really bad for Twitter. The whole reason so many groups and people use it for official communications and announcements is because their audience can easily and freely see it. Rate limiting and requiring an account completely destroy that. And without it, Twitter really doesn't have much to offer.
Plus this goes directly against advertising lol
Yo for real, what's up with all these social media sites literally shooting themselves in the foot as we speak?.
Youtube planning to antagonize adblock users and limiting video watching, Reddit killing itself with
bureocracystyle and now Twitter doing this shit. Hopefully shit sites like TikTok or Facebook jump on the wagon too.How is that even possible? By limiting access the load should be lower, there is no way
How so? The load should be much lower if an user needs to be logged in
They caused a request loop - https://lemmy.world/comment/703788
Musk seems like the kind of person who would test his code in production
Elon Musk, the latest billionaire owner of the online screaming match known as Twitter, sat slumped at his desk, staring at a wall of monitors blinking with a technicolor smorgasbord of error messages. The reason? He'd just let Twitter's hosting contract with Google lapse because he thought it'd be fun to see if he could migrate it somewhere else. The results? Not so fun.
A comment on Reddit had caught his eye, and he couldn't shake it. "Every now and then Elon must have a moment of clarity. Where it occurs to him 'Maybe I am just stupid?' But then he violently buries the thought."
"Stupid?" he scoffed aloud to his empty office, sending a mini landslide of Mars Rover prototypes tumbling off his desk. "I'm a genius."
He remembered how smart he'd felt when he decided to axe the account verification system, only to reinstate it after a week of high-profile mix-ups that included the Dalai Lama being mistaken for a llama enthusiast.
And the content moderation! Who needs it? Well, as it turned out, everyone. Without it, Twitter had turned into a feral wilderness of conspiracy theories, insult slinging, and more unsolicited pictures of eggplants than a greengrocer's catalog.
And then there was Kanye. "Free Kanye!" he'd declared one afternoon after one too many rocket fuel coffees. But after the notorious rapper had declared war on flannel shirts and clogged up the site with CAPS LOCK tweets, the ban was back on faster than you can say "Kim Kardashian for president."
"Stupid?" he muttered again, watching as Twitter spontaneously DDOS'd itself like a robotic bull in a digital china shop.
There was a pause. Then a grin spread slowly across Elon's face, as if he'd just understood the punchline to a particularly tricky joke. "Naaaah," he laughed, slapping the desk.
He looked at the chaos on the screens, the digital calamity his decisions had wrought, and couldn't help but chuckle. There was something amusing about being this absurdly, cosmically, hilariously brilliant.
"Back to the drawing board," he chuckled, picking up a Mars Rover and making it do little jumps across his desk.
As a former individual who understands the underlying systems, it seems like they botched deployment of a new feature causing issues and cannot figure out how to solve them.
Most of Twitter is and has been in maintenance mode since acquisition (think of 10 man engineering team and 1 left to handle maintenance).
That rate limit is insanely low, even for verified. I’m not verified, but I hit the limit in like 10 minutes of very distracted usage.
Yeah, 600/800 sounds like a lot until you realize that includes all the stuff you're just scrolling past in your feed or comments, not even clicking on. I wouldn't be surprised if they even overlooked the fact that ads might count against that cap too. I'm no heavy user but hit that cap in less than 20 minutes of reading people reacting to the news.
The hilarity is that these moves are the exact opposite of the so called Public Square he claims Twitter is or should be.
It’s just like how they forcibly remove you from public squares after you’ve passively listened to people for 15 minutes
The quintessential public square experience
Transcription for the blind: Screenshot of a Twitter post from Elon Musk, Twitter handle @elonmusk, that says:
To address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation, we've applied the following temporary limits:
- Verified accounts are limited to reading 6000 posts/day
- Unverified accounts to 600 posts/day
- New unverified accounts to 300/day
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-Transcription from a human volunteer. Let me know how I can do better.
Maybe I'm dumb, but this is starting to seem like these Tech CEOs are dumber than we thought.
Why not just make 4000 accounts and have distributed scraping? What are they going to do next? "Unverified Twitter accounts can only be accessed 10 times?"
They've always been dumb. You don't put smart people in CEO chairs, you put smart people to do the actual work and leave all the decision making to idiots. Hence the results.
The ones who have that position because they provided capital or such really have nothing left to offer. And I bet that actually really bothers these venture capitalists. They have no use other than their money. When they try to show that they do, they prove that they don't.
I don't think this has anything to do with data scraping. They seem like can't pay Google server bills and now got into metered connection
This is beyond speedrunning enshittification now...
I'm eager to see what twitter users think of this - lots of people are watching, and corpos taking notes.
Edit: He's announced an increased limit but it's hardly generous IMO.
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I think this really will be the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people. I don't think it will immediately kill twitter but it will have a lasting effect. And if not this I am sure he will come up with an even worse policy change within the next 2 months. Something like limiting it to only 10 tweets per day for unverified users.
Anyone still on Twitter at this point is getting what they asked for. It's like you drove past every "last restroom for X miles" sign, and now you're in the middle of nowhere and have to piss.
I bet the throtteling is not caused by data scraping but by Twitter not paying their Google Cloud bills and therefore now with the new month they got services suspended.
Image Transcription: Twitter Post:
Elon Musk, @elonmusk
To address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation, we've applied the following temporary limits
- Verified accounts are limited to reaching 6000 posts/day
- Unverified accounts to 600 posts/day
- New unverified accounts to 300/day
^I'm a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^
He's impulsive and doesn't know when to shut up. I got the distinct impression that, initially, he was absolutely not serious about buying Twitter. It was a joke/jest. BUT, because his antics affected their stock price he actually got forced into the purchase and now he's desperately trying to figure out how to make the purchase worth what he actually paid, which is fine and all, except he seems to be leading by impulse, not by consensus or logic. He wakes up in the morning, has some random ass idea and implements it without any oversight. Even his new CEO straight up admitted that she is basically a straw man CEO who will offer no friction to anything Elon wants to do.
I see that a lot of people complain about reddit, twitter, and whatever mainstream website completely fuck the consumer, but fail to realize one crucial thing. The only time change happens in mob settings is when the pain of no change is greater than the pain of change. I applaud Elon, spez, and who ever else wishes to put there services behind their paywall whether it’s an API or just simply viewing tweets. Anyone in the know knows that it’s a crock of shit and anyone who isn’t is annoyed to the point where change is preferable. The sooner people figure out posting information, entertainment, and other forms of media/knowledge to the benefit of a company is horrendous the better. Now we have the opportunity to get rid of the corporate greed and basically open-source peoples knowledge from around the globe. Although like with reddit, mob mentality poses a real threat to communities like this one, I trust that you all are normal and level headed individuals who can come to disagreements but still respect eachother (as corny as that sounds). I much prefer it over giving more information to companies who use it to profit off of my content, while I receive nothing.
*Edit: Thank you kind stranger for the reddit gold! Glad you spent real hard cash so I can have reddit premium and reddit coins! The lovely people at reddit will be spending your money sitting on a yacht eating grapes in one hand and lobster in the other. I’m sure they are real thankful too! :) *
Maybe it was just me but Musk has never seemed like someone who actually understood tech. Just a rich guy who buys up other's work and talks a big game. I knew the second I heard he bought Twitter it was going to crash and burn. He's doing it way faster than I thought possible.
Of course he will eventually say this was all on purposes and not that he is crap at business and tech.
Somehow I doubt it's even that. The guy's just a braindead, incompetent moron. I don't think the fucker's even smart enough to realize this is literally the worst possible decision he could've made.
Yeah Occam's Razor and all that, he's probably just a fucking idiot.
Funny enough, it's actually Hanlon's razor.
im pretty certain he is being paid by the saudis to destroy twitter. it's way too powerful a vehicle to be in the hands of the proletariat.
this might sound crazy but ..... this is why kbin/lemmy etc is so important. in about 2 years+ time, there will be a gigantic global civil war as the masses rise up and seek to annihilate the billionaires. the billionaires will hide behind the use of nukes by russia, then china invades taiwan, then WW3, then Biden is cloned, Covid26 arrives, global tsunamis and geostorms, and then the aliens invade. It's all pretty much clear. we need to organise now, to just give 0.5% of our kids a miniscule chance to survive the coming extinction of humanity.
Nice tin-foil hat you have there
Well I wasn't sure at first but you have convinced me
Sometimes the real DDOS are the companies we buy along the way
This isn't mildly infuriating, Musk is being the biggest fedi advocate out there! He's selflessly nuking his own site so he can drive traffic to decentralized alternatives. This is a good thing lol, and should be an important lesson on link rot, and that social media should never be the primary method of communication.
What did he even think the purpose of APIs were. Data scraping puts unnecessary load on servers only to scrape out majority of the content. It’s funny how he shoots himself in the leg and now complain.
He's the cause of his own implosion. It's kind of wonderful to see.
Can’t wait for Reddit to relearn this lesson too.
I don't know about twitter but it is common for the API to also be powering the front end regular user's interact with. No matter what it's stupid to rate limit this heavily.
True. REST APIs are a godsend to create structures and effectively communicate data. Shame its on the hands of these whimsical cry-baby CEOs
I mean I see why Reddit and Twitter are doing it. We're in a really weird transitional period of the internet right now, for better or for worse. They're doing it to prevent scraping, because why would you read all these garbage tweets to get to the information you need when an ChatGPT can spit out the exact information without fluff? It's taking their content without any funding back to them, effectively stealing their revenue.
So what are these companies to do? Honestly I hope this is birth to a new form of social media, and this benefits the fedi greatly. It will be unsustainable to run large social media companies like theirs who profit off of user data and content. Whereas tons of fedi servers ran by hobbiest, effectively ran out of pocket or by donations, is much more sustainable. They're doing it for community and more pure content that everyone wants without corporate fluff. If ChatGPT scrapes the fedi community, that's okay because the fedi isn't designed to make money so nothing is lost.
Twitter was an important unifying communications tool during the Arab Spring. The Arab spring was a threat to biz as usual in places like Saudi Arabia. The second largest investor in Twitter is Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia killed and dismembered a journalist from the US, more or less in plain sight. Elon is now killing and dismembering Twitter in plain sight to limit its power as a unifying tool that stands as a demonstrable, active threat to capitalism and oligarchs around the world.
Billionaires do favors for other billionaires. It's part of why spez is trying to tank Reddit. Remember how dangerous Reddit was to capitalism's status quo around the time of GME/Robinhood/Antiwork recently.
The specific moment we're in right now is meant to shatter consolidated organizing power on Reddit as we splinter into several smaller alternative platforms (or for some, disconnect entirely). Not saying we shouldn't be in Lemmy, but calling out the larger reality of the moment.
Billionaires do favors for other billionaires.
So with Spez having a hard on for Elon and how he runs Twitter, how long until we see this on Reddit? Premium members can view 1000 posts/day and regular members can only view 100 posts/day. Similar rule will apply to comments too.
"To address extreme levels of failing to pay our bills & firing every competent person at Twitter, we've applied the following temporary limits:"
This truly is a genius level move. If users are using your site, they are contributing to your hosting costs. You don’t want that.
Elon is so damn transparent. I NEVER remembering anything like this happening before Elon. Dude is running this like a moronic mob boss.
"Hey..it'd be a shame if you could only view 600 tweets. I have this Twitter Blue that might be able to help...."
The mob boss who wants $8/mo for a lame service but won't harm you if you don't want it?
I gave up on Twitter when this turd took over but holy shit...
I think it's important to remember that these companies DID NOT CREATE THIS DATA! They are protecting things that are not theirs.
They actually are, there is probably since terms you have agreed to, which gives them the right to your data.
But don't you think it's their site so they could do whatever they want to ?
Like for example, you own a huge plot that could be used for agriculture and you let your neighbors plant and grow fruits and vegetables in them. They also happened to use water from your house and you noticed that the water bills are increasing so you put in some sort of a restriction to reduce the bills by telling they can only use X liters of water daily.
And let's say, some of the neighbors give you some of the fruits and vegetables so you let them use X+1 liters daily.
So naturally the neighbors who got X liters would make a fuss about it but eventually the plot and water belongs to you while only the seeds,plants and fruits belong to the neighbors.
Here, the plot and water is like Twitter's servers,manpower, API and expenses
Plants, fruits and vegetables are your content you post.
So if you can't get enough of it(land and water), the best is to leave that plot and to look for another one right ?
Sure, they can do whatever they want, but everyone else is free to criticize them for doing so and go somewhere else with their time. Limiting the amount of time people can spend on your social media site, when you want as many people as possible looking at ads, is a bad idea.
Adding to the comment, I think this comparison is kinda rough.
That is because the platform also gets its revenue from your data and ads.
In your example, you use their plot for agriculture, but they get a part of your revenue from selling your vegetables.
You see where it gets weird? Limiting usage also limits their possible income for not having users interact with Twitter enough. This nets less money from ads and is, possibly, a nail in the coffin.
This seems extremely low for all categories. Good for getting people unaddicted though
Almost certainly this isn't anything to do with scraping. Like with Reddit, those with a stake in Twitter stand to benefit from AI and, as far as I know, there's no mass reposting (retweeting?) effort to something like Mastodon.
That would be trivial to block anyway, since it would be easy to identity the service accounts and source IP's of the requests. No need to impact average users.
What's more likely is he hasn't paid the bill for his cloud infrastructure and no longer has the capacity to serve so many users.
IMO, that's what you get when you fire half of your staff.
Great for the fediverse! I suspect that these changes to twitter and reddit are mainly a response to the growing hunger of generative artificial intelligence companies who are hoovering up data, basically for free. Change is never easy, but i'm optimistic that this is the break open source and federated communities needed to start taking off. I hope people can see the value in decentralizing and help support these open source projects financially so that they can really start to scale. The reality is, scaling is expensive, and we all need to help where we can. These Ai companies will not hesitate to suck up federated data also. If we want to live in an ad free world its gonna cost us.
At the risk of sounding tin-foily...
Twitter's financials for server costs have never made sense - the amount of money required to serve the sheer volume of engagement can't possibly have been resolved by ads that Elon is somehow refusing to keep tapping into.
I'd wager that some other interested party engaged in some type of private-public partnership was floating costs for (let's call it "privileged") access to the backend of Twitter -- granting a bottomless pit of funding to keep the platform running no matter the cost.
Once Twitter left the hands of someone deemed trustworthy, that life support doesn't stick around -- leaving Twitter facing complete insolvency by October of this year unless Musk literally does whatever he can to reduce engagement to save on costs.
Twitter loses more money when it has more engagement. If you have 100k users and add a new one, every interaction that additional user makes with tweets viewed by those 100k existing users requires 100k updates pushed to those 100k users' pages. Every like sends an update of +1 like on the tweet to every one of the 100k users. It becomes significantly more expensive per user engagement.
The ads being seen by additional users don't cover that constantly-compounding cost to keep engagements up to date across the platform. Musk isn't being honest about the reasoning (web scraping issues my ass) and is scrambling to buy desperately-needed to keep the platform up past October.
I think this goes to show just how impossible a business model like Twitter's was from the jump and shines a light on the absurdity of it being self-sustaining without a massive source of reliable external funding.
Edit: fixed typo
Hopefully this leads to Twitter not being the public square of the internet anymore at least mainstream wise. The man is doing everything to make the site worse.
This feels like the shit reddit pulled today
Even worse since now you cant even use the official site
They're copying each other's homework.
And twitter blue dumbasses eat it up. Legit one of them said “he created a problem, and now he’s created a solution”. No, he didn’t say that as a criticism. He was telling people to buy twitter blue.
All official local, national, global government and information/news services should immediately set up Mastodon/Lemmy instances, or at least accounts on established federated instances. It's the only way to insure stability. Musk and his Saudi/RW anti-democratic partners acquired twitter to kill it.
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My pet theory...... Though I don't believe it.
Musk and u/spez are playing 4-dimensional chess. The end goal is to increase freedom and user choice. By slowly destroying their respective platforms, people are driven to the fediverse, the idea of centralised platforms is tainted, power is shifted back to the user and long term everyone is better off.
It is a nice thought experiment.....
This is real?
Unfortunately yes rip but oh wait looks like he’s walked it all back what a silly billy
I Got it!I tried to rate limit myself, but I never hit it. I don’t think the is so much a policy as an engineering fuckup (maybe some combo of losing the Google cloud compute and the limiting of viewing without being logged in)
Bye Twitter ✌️
That just makes people want to use Twitter less, won't it? Unless there's some grand strategist-levels Masterplan behind this that I'm simply too stupid to fathom? I already use less of Twitter since he owned it, and I may even just cut it off now. It's such a shame too because it's one way for content creators to reach out to their community aside from Discord... I personally use Twitter a lot to notify people when I'm going live, etc. but with this change there might not even be a point anymore because I absolutely refuse to sign up for Twitter Blue.
I'm sure the advertisers are going to love that.
That's so dumb lol. Reading 600 tweets is like an hour of scrolling. What's the point in running a communication platform if people can't even get the message.
This is an attempt of someone shortsighted trying to play the long run. If you think bots are the reason for this, you are wrong. Limits are carefully chosen so that they severely hinder non-paying users. Musk is neither good at solving issues nor is he good at planning things. This is his attempt to force more people to buy Twitter Blue.
If you are running a bot or 7, paying 8$ is nothing.
I don't know if I could do a worse job running Twitter if I tried
He sure is an instable genius!
Incompetent Narcissism is the term I've used for Musk and others who think they are brilliant, but in reality just aren't. But, they have an insatiable desire to be seen as brilliant and the easiest way to do that is to have crazy ideas that, because they are crazy, others don't have. Sometimes those ideas pan out and they are seen as brilliant ... and that really resonates for them. Most of the time those crazy ideas absolutely fail ... they externalize the cause in those cases. The real damage comes when these Incompetent Narcissists have the money and/or power/influence to make it happen. Musk and Trump are prime examples of this.
Let me get this straight… paying verified members have limits on how many tweets they can read
I'm quite shocked Elon would implement a policy that is counter to the purpose of twitter... As controversial as it is, doomscrolling is probably twitter's biggest busines
Musk never wanted to buy Twitter. So he's going to run it into the ground but never say it was his fault, Twitter just had an unsustainable business model.
BlueSky and Meta's Twitter clone will likely be what most people will migrate to. Haven't seen or heard as much about people going to Mastodon though.
I've never had an interest in twitter. Just not something I could see the point of myself. But it sure is popcorn inducing watching Musk speedrun it into the ground.
Quite curious with the timing of it all, it's like a period of change where most things turn to the worse for apparently no reason.
My completely unfounded and speculative pet theory is that when casual punters tried to read Reddit using their favourite 3rd Party app, and couldn’t, they went to use Twitter instead.
Since Twitter has been haemorrhaging regular users all year, and trying to cut costs, their diminished infrastructure couldn’t handle it, causing Elon to panic and release his policy change.
How to limit your ad revenue in one step
He's just a nutjob. Sorry, but that's what it is. A prime example for "the typical CEO".
I don't get why anyone would still hype this guy.
Ah well. Very happy with Mastodon now.
Yep, every time I read "X social media site does Y devastatingly stupid thing" it makes me happy for the Fediverse user bases.
Imagine paying 40billion dollars on a company to just sink it, and being like "oh well still rich lol"
Must be nice eh?
Such a sad, bitter, incompetent manager.
just don't look there. it's not worth your attention.
there are good smut artists there tho
Literally just logged in yesterday to request my data, downloaded it today and deactivated my account. Twitter is a joke.
Ruud, the guy running Lemmy.world also runs Mastodon.world.
The more i read this the funnier it gets. Holy fuck twitter you really found a way to go even lower.
It’s on fucking purpose?? I can’t even open Twitter because somehow I exceed the rate limit when I launch the app
Musk tries to pull a "The producers" on Twitter, betting big that Twitter will go bankrupt and then it doesn't. In fact the (short term) gains look so good that reddit tries copying it. Musk is like: "I have to ruin this before the entire tech industry copies me!"
I’m curious if Musk has the same rules for himself.
Supposedly there is some bug that makes clients send out a ton of requests Some ppl say its because twitter requires to log in to show anything so the requests fail and retry https://sfba.social/@sysop408/110639474671754723
Yo for real, what's up with all these social media sites literally shooting themselves in the foot as we speak?.
Youtube planning to antagonize adblock users and limiting video watching, Reddit killing itself with
bureocracystyle and now Twitter doing this shit. Hopefully shit sites like TikTok or Facebook jump on the wagon too.Who cares, people will just eventualy switch to a better platform ( Mastodon )
I mean look on the bright side: he's encouraging Twitter users to touch grass
Or at least that's what he'll claim as it comes crashing down around him
Elon Musk don't make the worst decisions known to man challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (GONE WRONG)
It's not cunning or malice. It's hubris and incompetence.
Good fucking riddance.
Nothing that promotes Mastodon/Fediverse is infuriating.
He’s doing gods work
Awwww so saaaaaaaaaaad. Sorry i can't feel anything about this lol
"temporary"
I thought the end goal is to no more Twitter. And I'm here for it.
I think he's just that much of an attention whore, creating drama where it doesn't exist.
Speaking as someone who never really plugged into Twitter much in the first place: the notion that tweets have any sort of real value and that putting caps on consuming them is a meaningful control measure is the funniest fucking thing. Like no doubt he I actually trying to ruin it, that's happening. But this is clearly supposed to elicit some kind of reaction, and I just can't imagine feeling like, "oh, no, this only 600?" 600 of what? Brainfarts? Serious ideas that, if they were written by serious people would be in a long form medium? It's like saying "you can go to the grocery store but you can only buy 60 chew toys for your dog per day". Like, okay, I wasn't going to do that anyway and I think it's funny that you thought I was going to, or that I'd care about this new limitation.
Sometimes the real DDOS are the companies we buy along the way
More like incredibly amusing.
Speaking as someone who never really plugged into Twitter much in the first place: the notion that tweets have any sort of real value and that putting caps on consuming them is a meaningful control measure is the funniest fucking thing. Like no doubt he I actually trying to ruin it, that's happening. But this is clearly supposed to elicit some kind of reaction, and I just can't imagine feeling like, "oh, no, this only 600?" 600 of what? Brainfarts? Serious ideas that, if they were written by serious people would be in a long form medium? It's like saying "you can go to the grocery store but you can only buy 60 chew toys for your dog per day". Like, okay, I wasn't going to do that anyway and I think it's funny that you thought I was going to, or that I'd care about this new limitation.
Elon Musk is my idol, as he is killing twitter rn
Mastodon for the win!
The funny thing about Twitter for me is that I think I have a Twitter account and it's kind of like floating out there since 2010 or so. I never bothered with it. It was so tedious for me. I'm actually surprised about all this Twitter news now. I never actually could "get" Twitter as a social media platform. So, I don't know. I dislike the man. I can't remember my password. If it goes away I guess my internet security is better off.
Is it possible to use our applicable data retrieval tools and host the data separately, so Elon can't hoard it all?
Let's put limits on how many things you can view at the same time as putting a sign up gate to see anything. How do you think your platform got any users to begin with? It's almost like he has no idea how anything he's making decisions on actually works but that would be an unfair assumption? /s
Thanksfully I only read 20 or so tweets a day, so I am safe..
Have they never heard of using Cloudflare's free tier?
I keep hitting the limit by scrolling down. This is stupid.
What the hell, this is just stupid.
As a non Twitter user... reading 300/600 tweets a day seems like more than plenty. I mean the times I've poke around I see what maybe 60 or so tweets then move on to browsing another platform.
And me not knowing any better this somewhat seems to make sense if you have bots that are scraping all the data for intelligence to use for advertising or AI development etc.
Shouldn't those bots have to pay since they are making money off data and let the individual users keep a free account?
Anyone know the timeline for BLUESKY? ♥️
Well good thing there are alternatives out there that are growing like Bluesky and Mastadon
Needs more JPEG
Wonder what mental gymnastics the fanboys/chuds are doing to spin this into “yes, Mr. Musk you are so smart, please piss on me next”?
Yeah, I first heard about that new policy yesterday. It's dumb
Looks like he’s changed his mind pffft what a derk
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Didn't twitter just default on a massive google cloud bill on the first of July? This is pure speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me if the rate limiting is a direct consequence of them having to massively scale back infra because of getting kicked from Google cloud
F Musk & Twitter. They can both rot in hell.
Are paying members gonna get some sort of proration for the bullshit Musk sold them. This whole thing is beyond hilarious.
must get money to pay cloud service, man.
After dropping third party support I only read more and more questionable decisions by Musk in the news.
Twitter doesn't want to pay the Google Cloud bill lol
Speaking as someone who never really plugged into Twitter much in the first place: the notion that tweets have any sort of real value and that putting caps on consuming them is a meaningful control measure is the funniest fucking thing. Like no doubt he I actually trying to ruin it, that's happening. But this is clearly supposed to elicit some kind of reaction, and I just can't imagine feeling like, "oh, no, this only 600?" 600 of what? Brainfarts? Serious ideas that, if they were written by serious people would be in a long form medium? It's like saying "you can go to the grocery store but you can only buy 60 chew toys for your dog per day". Like, okay, I wasn't going to do that anyway and I think it's funny that you thought I was going to, or that I'd care about this new limitation.
I think he got this.
The limits are so low as well. Imagine paying for Twitter blue and getting rate limited still.
Sounds like the same thing Spez was discussing as the “reason” for the changes
Man, no one is trying to run anything into the ground. They are just probing to see how far they can stretch their userbases. And, personally, I think they can go as far as they want. Social media has become an addiction for people and they will justify anything and everything to get their fix .
EDIT: What I mean is that people will accept everything and still continue to use the platforms because they are ingrained into their daily lives. Do you disagree? Need I remind you how vehemently some people defended Reddit's decisions recently?
Seriously who needs to post 300 things in a day?
Reading not posting, however I still agree. No need to scroll that much.
The app seems to be rate limiting but via a web browser i’m not having any issues.
billionaires gonna bill
I hope it goes up in flames.
Good.
hello I'm from the future. Elon musk has fulfilled your prophecy.
Well, it certainly paves the way nicely for the BlueSky launch. People will be more than ready to leave in droves once that's available. This is the only way to guarantee mass adoption for what is essentially twitter 2.0? You gotta well and truly kill the old platform.
There will always be people using that dumpster fire
what. the fuck.
And it only cost $44 billion.
Until there is a viable Twitter competitor, this will continue and people will keep using it.
There needs to be one that scales. Mastodon had its chance and it's clear people don't want it. Maybe the answer is Bluesky, but that's not going to happen unless they open up their doors.
I can't believe I'm rooting for Meta, but their Threads app might work out and it will be better once it syncs with ActivityPub.
He's impulsive and doesn't know when to shut up. I got the distinct impression that, initially, he was absolutely not serious about buying Twitter. It was a joke/jest. BUT, because his antics affected their stock price he actually got forced into the purchase and now he's desperately trying to figure out how to make the purchase worth what he actually paid, which is fine and all, except he seems to be leading by impulse, not by consensus or logic. He wakes up in the morning, has some random ass idea and implements it without any oversight. Even his new CEO straight up admitted that she is basically a straw man CEO who will offer no friction to anything Elon wants to do.
Undeniable?
I deny this.
He's trying to make something new
Who is reading more than 300 tweets a day?
It's honestly like reddit to some people. They just scroll. No hate, everyone has their fix.
plenty of people are. few years ago i remember my wife spending hours on twitter every day just to waste time.
That would be the most incredible thing if Elon’s plan was just to destroy Twitter from the inside. Pipe dream I know.
Speaking as someone who never really plugged into Twitter much in the first place: the notion that tweets have any sort of real value and that putting caps on consuming them is a meaningful control measure is the funniest fucking thing. Like no doubt he I actually trying to ruin it, that's happening. But this is clearly supposed to elicit some kind of reaction, and I just can't imagine feeling like, "oh, no, this only 600?" 600 of what? Brainfarts? Serious ideas that, if they were written by serious people would be in a long form medium? It's like saying "you can go to the grocery store but you can only buy 60 chew toys for your dog per day". Like, okay, I wasn't going to do that anyway and I think it's funny that you thought I was going to, or that I'd care about this new limitation.
That would be the most incredible thing if Elon’s plan was just to destroy Twitter from the inside. Pipe dream I know.
I only use twitter to share gameplays and screenshots from my PS4 :) I don't care what elon decides to do.
If Musk destroys Twitter, I will hang his portrait right next to Papa Stalin's in my room. Twitter delenda est.
That would be the most incredible thing if Elon’s plan was just to destroy Twitter from the inside. Pipe dream I know.
I still believe Musk is trying to make a better place, yes he is making mistakes but inevitably Twitter will become a better place. For reddit however I kind of don't know. It's another thing kiling 3rd apps was actually inevitable. After all like Spez said the apps were printing money for their devs. The best solution was to talk with the Devs and come up with a suitable solution aka price of api
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I'm glad I don't use Twitter and I'm moving away from Reddit now.
