The "Arch breaks all the time" people have obviously never used Arch.
I've run Arch as a daily driver for the last 4 and a half years and haven't had any issues. I've tried Pop_OS twice in that time and had install-breaking issues within a week in both cases.
I used arch for 1.5 years and it did break a lot. Though I did use nvidia, so it was to be expected.
Switched to Nixos yesterday because it was kind of anxiety-inducing knowing my main computer was sitting on a time bomb that only got worse as time went on, as I toyed with the system more and more
Absolutely loved arch though, and I hope I’ll love nix as well
Literally switched off nix today because of a few mandatory (for me) packages were broken and I already regret it. Nix is such an awesome is and its impossible to break. Unlike Debian that fucked itself because rfkill wasint installed and that borked my networking on my PC. Couldn't start my nic or anything and stayed up til 2 am trying to fix til I said fuck it and re-installed. Switching back to nix tomorrow!
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YMMV
I run Manjaro with KDE on X11.... I use a lot of mouse gestures, so I can't sit with Wayland.
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I found the SYSTEM is extremely stable for ME. It is important to say this every time...
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I find KDE is often less stable... I had at least 2 issues I couldn't explain/understand and just fixed with restoring contents of .config from snapshots.
This is one area where Manjaro 'held back' and did actually save us from a lot of the bleeding edge (5.26 was a rough ride)... but that's not an 'Arch' issue, that's a 'KDE' issue.
But the USER likes to tip the boat until it does a barrel roll, or sinks entirely... and this is mostly what divides the happy users. Sometimes it's just basic hardware, sometimes it's the USER habits/modus operandi.
So we have Snapshots, and we have rsync backups to a mounted drive.... Then it matters not - a quick restart fixes most issues, and a reinstall takes only 6 minutes with no data lost -> in backups.
That's stable enough for me.
BTW, I use AUR quite a lot - and it never actually caused me an issue, other than some stuff needing rebuilds.
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Same Arch has been my daily driver for 10 plus years.
exactly this. there is a reason all the experienced users ultimately end up on arch. the old arch sub used to say "all paths lead to arch". seems like no matter what distro you start with, eventually you'll find your self using arch for your personal daily driver due to its resources making it quick and easy to get things working.
For all the memes, Arch has not once broken on me.
You never update it? :)
#!/usr/bin/sh # break-my-system.sh pacman -Syyu
the subtle difference is that distros like Pop try hard to aim at home computer normie users or new to Linux, Arch doesn't. 99% of Arch fault cases are also user's fault.
Can confirm, I am a dumbass often.
ROFLMAO
I'm a bigger idiot than you 😛
Funny but my arch doesn't break at all. I think users probably break it because they are learning, and that's not really the fault of arch. :)
I've been using Arch for years and not once has an update "broke" my system. If it does break someone's system it's likely because they messed with their libs without knowing what they were doing
Stupid libs ruining everything
WELL ACKTCHUALLY...
But jokes aside: How do you people break your Arch system so often? I'm on Arch since 2012 or so and it never really broke for me. Also, anyone who can read will be able to fix the ~1 time a year required manual intervention.
Arch is DIY, so you're supposed to know how to fix it.
I used Arch for many years. The biggest problem I had was if I didn’t update packages for awhile, it would often seem like my next update would lock up in dependency hell. Doing it often I never had that issue, so if you’re pretty rigorous with it I’d guess it’s probably better.
What the heck are you guys doing? I've been using Arch for over 5 years on many different computers and an update has never broken my system. I was even impressed that I was able to update my desktop with NVIDIA graphics after 6 months of it being unplugged.
Are you sure you installed the system correctly at all?
well, you don't complain when your hammer does a shit job at driving a screw. (well, maybe you do, but thats on you)
One is consumer focused,
the other is bleeding edge.If you keep your Arch Linux system updated it shouldn’t break. I have been using Arch as my daily driver for close to a year now, and have been updating it at least weekly. The times that it did break for me (which is only 1-2 times), it didn’t break because of an update, but because of my stupidness.
This hits close to home.
After two weeks on arch, nvidia driver updates have broken shit twice already.
But that's the arch way and I chose the arch way.
In 5 years on arch I have never had an nvidia driver update break anything.
I had it screw my system so hard it didn't boot and I had to use the installer to uninstall the driver and boot with the generic one. A couple days later it broke steam and the advice on the arch forums was to downgrade, which I did (to a version before the one that didn't let me boot).
Now here I am, with an nvidia driver that's intentionally outdated because the current version is broken. Just like on windows.
I always thought it might be hardware related. So far i have always bought AMD cards and had no issues.
I've historically had ATI and AMD cards, when I built my desktop in 2017 I bought a 1080ti, love that card with just how long it has lasted, but I don't think I'll ever buy Nvidia again. For a good long while I just gave up on linux on my desktop and just ran windows.
I’ll take rolling updates over twice a year major release upgrades any day. My experience with Centos and Ubuntu was that anytime I needed to upgrade the OS, I had to spend a few hours fixing random stuff. Never had a problem with Arch that I couldn’t fix.
Arch has only broken for me because I'm an idiot.
Coincidentally enough, Fedora has only broken for me because I am an idiot.
Usually when things I own or use break it's because I'm an idiot lol.
I've definitely seen stuff break because of an update to arch. there was an issue a while back where KDE plasma and xorg together would cause taskbar icons to be absolutely massive. a subsequent update fixed that.
the thing is, if my gaming PC is unusable, it's not a big deal cause I don't need it for anything. that's why I run arch on it
Interesting. I've been running Arch/KDE for years and never saw that bug. I use Arch on almost everything.
Steam Deck comes with kinda-Arch, I use Arch for work now, I use it on my gaming PC. The only thing that doesn't run it is my home server because it sits in a corner and doesn't need bleeding edge updates or the AUR.
I love Arch, been using it for a few years now. So far the only update that really caused me some trouble was that whole Grub bootloader thing that happened a while ago.
Aha, I can't help laughing that we skipped that on Manjaro ;)
I have yet to experience a breaking change in about 5 years with arch as my daily driver. The only "critical" thing that broke was the ms-teams flatpak app right before a meeting :D The reason was probably the shitty app itself and not arch though.
You obviously didn't read the release notes for all your installed software before running "pacman -Syyu"
soooo pop for stability on a desktop system??
for the most part, yes. Pop offers a pretty good overall user experience too! Honestly it has the only appstore that has enough apps for me to not have to use the terminal
Haha this is stunning - that someone will choose something so they are not forced to use a terminal.
Please tell us how you can install and use SearXNG, or Prowlarr, or Overseerr with your superb GUI tools?
Let's face it. For anyone who ever used and is knowledgable about Windows, we must admit that the road to make Linux really useable from GUI alone is a very long one (and one that most of us just get bored with).
IDK, I've maybe had 2 system breaking incidents like this in 7+ years.
Ubuntu-based is based, change my mind.
I love Ubuntu. It's by far the most popular distro and that comes with the very helpful perk of it being easier to find support. More users means more people who can answer your questions. It means more people who might fix some issue that annoys you. And all the while, it is a solid and easy to use distro.
Ubuntu has some nice properties like predictable LTS schedules and a large community, but snap is making it really hard to tolerate ubuntu these days.
That's why I said Ubuntu-based like Zorin OS or POP! OS. You don't have to use snap on those.
It's the trade off of having a mostly bleeding edge operating system. It's part of the reason why I wouldn't recommend Arch to beginners. While pretty rare, some update will eventually break part of your OS or cause other (often minor) issues and you should be knowledgeable enough/willing to look up the offending package and roll it back. It's up to the user to decide whether Arch's pros (massive software availability through official repos and the AUR, DIY approach, up-to-date packages) outweigh its cons.
As @[email protected] said (I can't tell if jokingly or not - lol), it is somewhat expected that an Arch user checks the Latest News section on archlinux.org before updating their system. Though I might add, I usually don't bother.
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informantpackage to automatically check it for you, although this tends to break on mew releases of major Python version (i.e. the kerfuffle when moving from Python 3.10 -> Python 3.11). If you useparuas your AUR helper, there's a config flag to automatically check the Arch news in every update. Otherwise, I can recommend using RSS for this as it's really easy and nice to have newsboat open and automatically pullung in news updates while checking ither RSS feeds.
FINALLY, LINUX MEMES IS HERE
Remember when Manjaro ddos'ed the package repo
Which time ?
Yes
How does pop compare to mint?
Imma be real.. Arch has been the most consistent system I've used to date.
I've been using linux off and on since like 2008. I jumped around from ubuntu, fedora, opensus, popOS, centOS, etc.. I've had manjaro and now arch as my daily driver for probably 4 or more years now and Arch updates have only ever broke one thing, one time, and it was more of a audio pipewire issue than it was really archs fault.
arch updates do not deserve this slander, its been very reliable for me, more than probably any system i've ever used.
Nice meme.
From what I know about these distros (Debian, sometimes Fedora user here), Pop is targeted for "normal" home users, while Arch has traditionally been for hackers. From that point of view, it makes sense that breaking the former would be seen as less acceptable for the wider community.
I would say pop is for new users, arch is for users that know what they want and willing to put in the time, i wouldnt say its "for hackers".
picking an arch based distros thats already built for you though is the easy way to go if you want a linux system for gaming. I tried using pop for a while. it was ok but ultimately a rolling release system was better.
"ubuntu user snaps your finger off"
I've got a machine running Pop! for over 2 years and can honestly say the only issues I've had were caused entirely by ME.
Arch issues are also caused by the user. The user decided to update the dependencies.
Hah How dare they
Idgi, I've been using arch based distros for a few years and I've yet to break my system.
My Arch installation does break sometimes. I literally had a year-long issue where it turned out my old network card was incompatible with the kernel and the consequence was that a kernel panic would randomly come up almost daily without any kind of warning or error trace. Package updates sometimes do make my system unbootable, too.
However! That's very much what I was expecting when I chose Arch. If I didn't have the tech expertise/patience to deal with those issues, I wouldn't have chosen it in the first place. What I like about Arch is that I feel like everything is under my control and no problem comes out of nowhere. Except, maybe, I kinda don't like having to interact with the NVIDIA driver bullshit.
I replaced the network card and the kernel panics were gone. Whenever a package breaks my system I just downgrade it. It doesn't work flawlessly, but unlike Windows or Ubuntu, it's not actively fighting against me. I overall don't regret it. It's been my daily driver for 2.5 years now.
i dont use arch btw
The grub thing got me, but I just switched to systemd boot and moved on. I got to learn about bootloader's, so that was fun!
I used to run arch but then went back to Ubuntu. Arch is a good operating system. Don't get me wrong. My system has been borked a few times because of arch maintainers and not my own actions.
Is it just me who chuckles when all the peeps here confirm the meme by their "BuT Me ArCh NeVeR bRoKe" posts all super serious and not at all a little butthurt? <Insert trollface>
I used to run into updates breaking dependencies, like Gimp not working after an update and such but since switching most my programs to be Flatpaks I had very few issues.
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You must state what system you run to get this experience... Are you a 'buntu user?
extra/gimp 2.10.34-1 (20.3 MiB 113.4 MiB) (Installed)- NOT a single issue with this package since I installed GIMP via pacman some 6 years ago.
I have no reason to install the
bloatedflatpak version.No reason at all.
Yeahhh, I really don't need bleeding edge software on my daily driver box. If you enjoy doing post mortems on logs, more power to you, I have things to do.
