Redditors brigading against Lemmy
Redditors brigading against Lemmy
I don't know if you've noticed this, but threads or comments about Lemmy or the Fediverse get downvoted a lot on Reddit and trolls who claim that it's "dogshit" and "not going anywhere" get systematically upvoted.
Some of those trolls get then exposed when you ask them what Lemmy instance they tried and one of them with whom I had a surreal exchange answered with something like "yeah ofc I used Lemmy, this is the instance: join-lemmy.org" 🤦♂️
It's frustrating that these trolls keep contributing to the big lie that "Lemmy is not ready yet" and that there's "no viable alternative to Reddit".
This and the overwhelming number of comments being "against the mod protests" just prompts me to question whether there isn't some brigading being organized straight from the Reddit HQ.
Probably bots. Reddit has been using them for some time, but recently got caught using chat gpt or something similar to argue against the blackouts.
The majority aren‘t bots. Most of them are legit no lifers to whom Reddit going down the drain would be a huge blow. I mean you work full time as a cashier for taco bell and you are not really happy with that situation. Some people go to school again, learn a skill… others spend all their time one Reddit stockpiling karma. Those are the people who really hate lemmy and anything that could remotely make Reddit worse, because they are heavily invested in the platform for the wrong reasons.
Do you have a source for this claim? I'm very interested in reading about it
Which is fking insane since one of Steve’s excuses for upping API pricing so high is to fight LLM from training on “their” dataset! Fucking LOL
it does make sense as a business strategy, since they probably have plans how to analyze the data themselves and sell that as a service or sell a more curated access than the current api.
it's certainly not about protecting the users data, but how to monetize it best.
I also doubt them to have done the whole chatgpt bots just this week. Providing organic marketing where users are unsure if its just a regular comment of someone super happy with product xy or a bot.
Shilling for certain products or political views is already sold as a service by quite a few companies. I think reddit just wants to take in that business.
It really feels like that is happening in /r/lotrmemes -- https://www.reddit.com/r/lotrmemes/comments/14cekxa/shall_we_continue_the_blackout_poll_round_2/
It's just bots, don't mind them
Unfortunately there's probably a large amount of users who simply don't care.
But that's okay. What matters is content creators, not content consumers. Anyone with half a gram of decency and self integrity will have realized that they need to take steps to move away from Reddit.
When the content creators leave and go to Lemmy/Kbin, eventually those content consumers will leave and go with them too. Will be a bonus for the Fediverse
I care and I’m here. I count as do all of us! Fuck ‘em!
Exactly. Let the milquetoast mouth-breathers stay behind. With sufficient brain-drain, Reddit will eventually look like Quora.
Once - unfortunately - Apollo app will be down, in less than 2 weeks, I’m pretty sure Lemmy will surge and they will come complaining here 😅
I'm already seeing an increase in trolling and spam across the Lemmy and Kbin instances. Hopefully the mods can handle the influx.
I miss Apollo everyday. I haven’t used it since the blackout in solidarity.
Yep, they will definitely come complaining here.
What if Apollo just adapted to lenny instead of
Here's the thing - we've been raised from birth to think "people don't make things, companies do".
Most people have never used software that isn't company branded, they've never sat in a chair made by someone they know, they've never pulled food out of the ground. Almost all jobs set someone up doing a service with a supply chain behind them or doing one small step of something bigger.
It's learned helplessness. They don't have the concept of how they could do things outside of the hierarchy - solid chance they've tried, and since their skills are hyper-specialized and rely on big, expensive tools, they found they had a lot of gaps.
Anything you do outside of a company is a hobby to most people. And even then, people organize into sports leagues and buy fancy toys instead of just meeting up in the park with a ball... Do you really need to play by professional rulesets when you're just trying to exercise?
This time around, I didn't bother to explain why the decentralization is so important to my friends and family - even the technical ones are almost afraid of the idea of it.
Instead, I told them about the ways Reddit has picked up the harmful strategy that Facebook used, and that makes mobile gaming so addicting yet so unfulfilling: show them less of the content they want to change the reward schedule, training you to use the app longer for a smaller dopamine hit. Show you content that will make you feel angry, driving up engagement. And most importantly, always wave the promise of another dopamine hit.
The app is eggregious - it sprinkles in stuff from top communities I left a long time ago because they suck, it gives you suggestions for new communities and presents them like interaction from other users, and it sends you notifications to tempt you back in all the time.
And this is just the beginning, it's going to get a lot worse With all the other social networks eyeing their own strategies to squeeze their users, it's going to suck across the board, and good luck trying to build relationships outside these platforms
I think it's important to remember we're animals, and we're not just trainable, we're the most trainable by a large margin. The best of us have just a handful of moments where we see beyond our instincts and conditioning, and decide to train ourselves
This project is important, because it can give us back communities small enough to get to know each other, while providing a larger forum for ideas, and with a design that can shrug off attempts to control it.
It's going to fragment. Sections of it will break off into echo chambers, admins will sell out their users, and parts will offer a curated walked garden hosted. But it can survive all that because of one simple truth - unless one person captures the majority of the network, they're going to have to cut off the best part of the network. Social media can be profitable without sucking, but to rake in profits it has to suck - and even then, we can start up servers for friends and family, and rebuild the network organically
I'm working for an app streamlined enough I can send it to my mom and have her sign up without getting scared off, and I think I've got a solid idea of how to improve discovery of communities without becoming distributed rather than decentralized. Other people are building their own visions of what this can become, and a lot of people are writing impressive code (Lemmy has no business scaling as well as it has), and the beauty of it is that it all competes while adding to the whole.
I've been at it for 30 hours now, but I can't shake the feeling that me getting this out this out in the next few days is going to matter if this is going to become what I hope instead of another shard of Reddit.
But every time I step away to take a breather, I end up back on here and see a glimpse of what this could be
The only way to change the world is to release something self-perpetuating and self-reinforcing and intrinsically positive, and hope it grows
Little pockets of culture can exist in the cracks of society. Kudos to all involved. I'm not sure I can meaningfully contribute as of yet due to family/time constraints but I'm here to comment and upvote.
Kudos!
Is there a Lemmy c/bestof somewhere yet?
That’s very exciting to read. Thank you for your service.
It's sort of an asshole problem. All the cool people are walking away from Reddit, or at the very least trying to support the blackout/boycott. So all that's left are the chronically online people, apathetic lurkers, and assholes who purposefully don't care. The assholes are now seeming more vocal because all the logical voices are burned out or gone. Provided the good contributors/commenters stay away. Eventually lurkers won't enjoy a ton of pissy comments on everything and look for more interesting discussion to peruse. Then the assholes will just be being assholes to each other, then be like man this place is full of assholes, and go look for a healthier community to be an asshole too because they don't want people who fight back like they do lol.
Hey hey hey. I’m chronically online. That’s why I care enough to be here instead of Reddit!
Lol same, I just meant the reddit addicts. Which I am one but I'm here. I'm trying lol
Honestly it's pretty great this way, lemmy is most of what reddit was to me without all of those problematic groups you mentioned.
Me who fits into all three of those categories: side-eye.png
well put
And it's probably a lot of bits owned by trait to stop the migration
Eddited: bots* owed by Reddit*
I haven't noticed that because I no longer look at reddit. I suggest you do the same.
Yeah, OP is getting hate-baited hard.
Yeah I've seen a lot of it happening to everyone who participated in the blackout. I got death threats and shit in my inbox.
I literally only use it for my sub these days because it has a fair amount of members. I do all my scrolling and reading here now. Login there to check the mod queue and I'm done until there's an alert.
Yeah, I don't care what happens on there.
Lemmy isn’t ready yet to completely replace Reddit for most people, and that’s part of the fun!!
The thing is, there are pretty much two distinctly separate reddits, new and old. New reddit is flashy with live videos and more media than text, and old is very text based. And then if you are using an app like RIF, you don't even have chat. For me, old reddit is very much like browser lemmy and going from RIF to Jerboa was very seemless. It's almost the same thing. But if someone actually likes new reddit and their app(I saw a graph that like 80% of users use it) lemmy is not going to cut it.
But imo lemmy is in a great spot right now. It could definitely be better but it's growing a lot. I'm liking it at least.
Agreed on Jerboa, but I wish navigation was a bit smoother. ``
Lmao, who cares what they think?
But also, Lemmy isn't ready, which isn't a bad thing at all.
What it is, is viable. And that should scare the shit out of reddit
My biggest issue with Lemmy is lack of userbase... which is fixable by signing up for Lemmy.
Figured best case scenario other people make the switch, worst case I'll forget this service even exists.
Also does anyone know how to enable dark mode, or if there is a dark mode?
There is a lot of activity to spend many hours here. Discover more communities here. There is a dark mode, go to the settings page. You will find it in a drop down menu.
Once there are good mobile apps in the app stores, I think we’ll start seeing a surge in adoption. The other big piece is moderation tools. If Lemmy can manage to build better mod tools than Reddit, it would be a big draw for power mods
yeah that's what I'm struggling with too, like it'd be great if we could encourage people to try these, but at the same time I don't want to give them a bad first impression to turn them off forever if they can not stand it's still a baby project (understandable). I honestly don't think it's that hard to start using these fediverse products though, and I feel like the posts saying "lemmy will never take off", "kbin is too hard to use" only gave me barriers to start using it. And then when I did start, I was like oh this is great, everyone's talking, it's a close community
Dark Mode - I'm using the dark theme in Firefox and Lemmy respects the default.
Check this community for scripts/styles to change the look - https://sh.itjust.works/c/plugins
Exactly! It's like getting upset over what an ex thinks. That's their problem. We're focusing on ourselves.
Lemmy is pretty dense to a newcomer, especially one who is used to the centralized web. But that's okay - we don't need Lemmy to replace Reddit. Just like Mastodon, this 'temporary exodus' is only beneficial for this platform.
Even when the drama 'blows over' and Reddit is back to its usual status, we will have gained a huge amount of new users interested in a decentralized web. As long as there are enough users for Lemmy, I think that's okay.
Being a niche place without a million American teenagers is better anyway.
Finally they no longer have the excuse that everything has to be about the US because it's an American website :)
Initially I was kinda lost, but now that Im getting the hang of the instances etc, its pretty cool
And people forget that before we used reddit for years, we had to get used to how subreddits worked and how to curate them to make our feeds more personalized. That wasn't any harder than figuring out instances here. The more you use a system, the easier navigating it becomes.
I think there's truth to some of the "not ready" claims... and this is coming from someone who really tried to get into Lemmy, ended up creating their own instance (as demonstrated by my user handle).
A few issues I think Lemmy dev team really need to address ASAP, from least technical (thus affecting most users) to more technical (this affecting less users) are:
1. UX/Discoverability -- Finding communities are a huge pain in the backend right now, and with multiple communities on different instances serving same purpose (i.e.: [email protected] and [email protected]). Sure, Reddit had same issues (the example I've heard is /r/meirl and /r/me_irl), but Reddit offered solution (multi on old reddit, community+community on new reddit). There must be a way to streamline it with meta-communities or lists on Lemmy such that the contents can be viewed in a unified fashion. I recommended
!community@(note the lack of domain) to streamline all of user's subscriptions with same name on different instances as an example; and perhaps we can use#[email protected]for users's maintained lists to unify[email protected],[email protected],[email protected], etc.).2. Trigger happy defederation hubs -- a certain instance has unceremoniously de-federated a couple of other larger instances. This is not the way, but here we are, with users on those instances not able to access the broader Fediverse, and vice versa. Until discoverability gets taken care of, it will be challenging for users to find a good home -- this leads to next point:
3. Authentication -- The Fediverse at large needs to separate authentication out from instances. Instances may provide their own authentication, fine, but there needs to be better way to authenticate against something else other than an entire new instance of Lemmy. The ActivityPub protocol has clear definitions on what is an actor, and users shouldn't need to deploy a Lemmy instance to identify themselves, separately from a Mastadon instance to identify themselves, separately from a... etc. This is because frankly...
4. Deployment of Lemmy is utter garbage. The official documentation's getting started guide gets users setup with an instance where the UI container cannot talk to public, but the lemmy backend can? Why bother shipping an nginx container if the backend will just expose itself to the whole wide net? Also, let's just pretend postgres container isn't open to the whole world with a basic password... Trying to get it up and running with Traefik was a pain, just do a quick Google and see how many people have asked and gave up, as well as how many different ways people have tried to go at it (something something xkcd 927; I've contributed to a new one of my own per linked post on top!), and the dev basically just straight up going 'we don't support traefik'... also, each approach is not without problems...
5. Federation is a bitch. I am pretty proud of the way I've used override to not edit original docker compose, and locked my setup down a little. But, I'm not ready to have the instance open to the whole wide web without CloudFlare in front... but allegedly, Federation doesn't work with CloudFlare... why? Good luck trying to get to even a popular sub's scale without getting hit with DDOS when someone disagrees with something someone else posted.
There's many more problems, and I genuinely want Lemmy to work. But, Lemmy is, lack of better words, "not yet ready" for prime time. It is thrown into the spotlight with Mastadon (which feels a bit more mature, at least from reading the docs) because of bad leadership at mega techs... It will take a lot of work for Lemmy to evolve and mature, before it can be "ready" to really absorb the mass of Redditors leaving Reddit.
Regarding #2, I think not defederating might be an easier sell if users had the ability to block instances. Right not it's just users and communities. Hate lemmygrad? You can block its communities one by one, but it's kind of a pain. So instances only have the option of a full block.
- That certain community is beehaw.org by any chance? They also ask you to write pretty much an essay to join, and didn't accept mine.
Not a lot of value in singling any community out... I think if it keeps up, eventually, they will just flip to private instances and de-federate themselves away from the larger fediverse...
I have an account on beehaw and I wrote like three sentences and was accepted, I wrote the same thing here on lemmy.ml not being accepted is probably more of an attribute of you
They ask you to write a few sentences to prove you're not a bot / troll. I wouldn't consider that a lot of effort personally.
Im honestly a bit confused why everyone is hating on beehaw though, isn't the whole point of this distributed system is that we can control what we want and don't want to see? There's no one person controlling anything, so just move somewhere that's more what you're looking for or even start your own instance.
on #4, thank you for expressing how I felt. I'm not a novice at Docker, but each time I try to spin up my own instance I gave up halfway because of the poor documentation. And I have about 30 other dockers successfully running with reverse proxies, cloudflared proxies, DNS filters, etc. And for some reason I find the docker compose difficult to comprehend.
4 ... we don't support Traefik
Too bad. Won't work on my infra then... (sigh)
Some people seem to have got it working with Traefik, according to https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/876.
Neoliberals and saying "there is no alternative", name a more iconic duo
The wheel of history will succumb redditors who refuse to accept that their system will pass just as all other before it have.
Spam-bots and strange links.
what does that have to with neoliberals lol
Probably a lot. They love bootlicking
"Don't attribute malice when you can attribute stupidity."
I would not be surprised at all if that user was not aware of which instance they opened or tried after opening join-lemmy.org. Many people are not very mindful or thorough or intentional in how they use technology or software or services. They probably do not even know what an instance is - and so linked the lemmy website.
It took seeing a "dummies guide to the fediverse" before I understood how Lemmy works. I gave up and looked for another option before that, and I'm relatively tech savvy. Or at least I was 10 years ago...
Of course there’s no viable alternatives to Reddit. Why would someone create another dumpster fire?
Lol best comment right here. We don't want to be Reddit we want to be our own thing.
I think the majority of those people just don't care and are against change.
I can say that to the non-technical person, Lemmy would be a bit confusing due to having to pick a server. However, once you get past that point, Lemmy is a perfectly viable alternative to Reddit, as long as the user base remains active.
That's why you just link them to lemmy.world, problem solved.
Some subreddits are also using automod to remove comments linking to Lemmy.
I hope journalists will put a spotlight on the deceptive tactics Reddit is using.
I've seen some articles. Unfortunately most of them only mention the fact that the users are the good guys in passing.
My two cents: good! Let the shitty people stay on reddit. I'm loving the respectful communities here on lemmy, and don't really want those clowns coming over and messing it up for us.
The people who like it are here. The people that don't are still there. Not that complicated.
Also, people have a natural tendency to form "teams." Even if they don't particularly like what Reddit's admins have been doing they may identify as part of "team Reddit" and so see other teams as the enemy.
There was a legendary episode in social psychology called the Robbers Cave experiment. It had been set up in the bewildered aftermath of World War II, with the intent of investigating the causes and remedies of conflicts between groups. The scientists had set up a summer camp for 22 boys from 22 different schools, selecting them to all be from stable middle-class families. The first phase of the experiment had been intended to investigate what it took to start a conflict between groups. The 22 boys had been divided into two groups of 11 -
- and this had been quite sufficient.
yup exactly that, I'm getting more and more used to, and happy with this place, I just still kind of have a hope to migrate over one community, but I don't think they are willing, and it's hard to find people that are interested :p
Amen, if Reddit ever died it would probably survive living rent free in Lemmy users’ heads.
Eh, Digg is nothing more than a historical note to most who left in the exodus, but there was a time when it made up a large % of the posts on Reddit. People will move on, but for now the wounds are still fresh.
I came here to look to see if this topic was covered. I just checked my mod queue and every single post made by my automod OR other users about Lemmy was reported multiple times for "harassment" with 40+ down votes as well. I've literally never had a full mod queue that was more than 6 things before and I had 30 or more posts to approve with 3 being actual things. What the fuck.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if it's reddit themselves reporting and downvoting posts with bots. Spez doesn't have a clean track record after all.
this confirms that there is indeed brigading behavior
No no no, see bridging is only brigading when it goes against the administrations (Reddit admin) desires.
Just seems like insecurity. Reddit has some staying power but when the people who do free work don't wanna do free work anymore, it all starts to crumble.
Fear. The word your looking for is fear. 😉
Dunno if you were around then, but people on Digg acted the same way toward Reddit before Digg crashed.
If we stay on this platform and continue to grow and create content, then when Reddit again does something to annoy its years (they probably will), we can be here to take advantage.
The downside is that every great growth in users will affect the platform/site culture, not always for the better. It depends on the users and the size of the migration.
I also migrated from digg to reddit. I think it's funny that people complain "there's not good alternative to reddit". When the great digg exodus was happening reddit was not a "good alternative" either, but it still happened that folks jumped ship for a community that was ready to put its users first.
Anybody who'd not going to move until the alternative is perfect is better off staying on
diggreddit.Meanwhile we get everyone who doesn't fall for propaganda, is willing to try and evaluate the evidence for themselves. It's win/win really unless your community is rather niche.
It's too tiring going back and forth with these types of Reddit users. I gave up and just chill here
Years ago reddit put aside a cardinal rule of the internet: Don't feed the trolls.
It was worse off for it from a user perspective. It's been great for investors though.
Reddit is known for it's use of bots. Bots helped Reddit grow in its early days. I'm not surprised that bots are being used now. As more people leave, I'm sure more bots will get used to give the impression of an active community. Just lie they did in those early days.
No, I wouldn't notice because I don't use reddit anymore.
I've been happily reddit free for like 4 days now. It feels good to get in early on a promising platform.
It's a slow burn for me, but I'm on Reddit less and less everyday, and on lemmy/jerboa more. Especially the more comfortable I become with the interface here and learning how I like to use the app, the little tricks to find the content I want etc. Only reason I've even still checked reddit is cause Relay won't shut down till the 30th.
The GitHub repos are more active than ever, and I'm feeling confident lemmy/jerboa will be at parity soon, especially with all the eyes and scrutiny they're getting now with more users. We just gotta be patient and constructive with our criticism and feedback.
First, they ignore me...
Then they laugh at me...
Then they try to fight me...
And then I win.Trolls will troll. I for one am not going to hold my breath for people to switch over. I do feel that you have to be at least a little bit dedicated and willing to give up some convenient features of a platform that has been heavily developed for 10 plus years to make the switch. That is going to cause some vitriol, there is just no way around it. I'm not even mad at it to be honest.
At the end of the day, all I wanted was to have a place to talk to strangers on the internet without seeing ads in good faith. And thanks to Lemmy we have that. I personally don't care if Lemmy "wins" or whatever. People have to choose to participate. And they are! But millions aren't going to make the switch all at once.
Absolutely. Honestly it's a huge pain. I've none of my subs. I've just been wandering around. On loads of stuff. But time will improve things.
Let reddit die
I wouldn't be surprised if reddit admin are inflating upvotes on pro reddit comments or have an army of bots defending reddit.
As a tech savy person, I can confidently say lemmy is not a viable reddit alternative at this stage for an arbitrary reddit user. The UI and clients are just terrible and full of small bugs, annoyances and inconsistencies. Sure, it will eventually get there, but negative opinions about lemmy are not completely unmerrited. Just as I'm typing this, I get screen tears and flickering elements. It's just very, very bleeding edge and I can absolutely see how someone trying it for 5 minutes would be turned off. If you want to capture the masses, the user experience has to impeccable.
PS: my first try at submitting this response timed out. This is my second try.
It doesn't have to be impeccable. It doesn't need corporations to buy ads. It just has to keep getting better and not die. Look at Linux. It never did overtake MacOS & Windows on desktops. But it keeps getting better and it didn't die and it took over server rooms. Look at Mastodon. It's nowhere near as popular as Twitter and maybe never will be, but it's 5 years old and is steadily growing. I like hanging out there. Oak trees start as acorns.
That's the thing though, criticism of lemmy does not necessarily mean hate. We can acknowledge and be honest about the problems without shitting on the platform. My experience over the last week with kbin would have been way beyond the technical know-how of say, my sister. It's not ready for the average user. It will be, devs are kicking ass, but we're not there yet and that's okay. I would rather people know what they're in for here than to show up expecting a polished, bug-free interface.
Is this the year of the Lemmy desktop?
Thing is; I don't want the "arbitrary reddit user". I want the low-effort user to get irritated and leave.
That would likely also err content creators to leave, just because fewer people would be available to see the posts.
There certainly can (and should) be places that your typical user doesn't want to go to, but if there's nowhere for them to go then it will cause a hard stop on fediverse adoption.
Plus, it's not like many of these issues wouldn't affect non-arbitrary users. just they're willing to put up with it. And that's not a sign of a good site.
you only need to move the more techie knowledgeable user base here. The ones that mod and post content.
The average user provides nothing to the site but dead traffic. They'll come when the content is here.
Here's an example: how can I subscribe to the topics I want to follow? I don't want to see the 198 or whatever it is posts. Nor programmer humour. Lemmy has a great community of fans and users but if I can't see only what I want I'm not going to use it.
"Oh no ... my very new free software that's not selling my data and run by VC overlords has some bugs"
I know I'm being an asshole there, but this is about more than usability, it's about values and speaking with your feet. Not that your comments about usability and bugs don't matter ... they do! My issue is that it is way too normal to put convenience and usability front, center and above everything else.
So many conversations with intelligent people about things like this end with "but is it as convenient!?" If that's all we care about, then we don't really deserve anything better. In the mean time, we can try to adjust what we and others care about.
If you are not subscribing to anything, then the only two “walls” you can see is “local” and “all”. “Local” showing posts from communities on your Lemmy server and “all” showing posts from every known Lemmy server.
I don't think it's necessary for them to be trolls, I think some people want to believe that there is no alternative, since that means they don't have to change anything. The guilty conscience for supporting something they know is bad can be rationalized away by external factors.
I suspect people are that aggressive because they have to explain themselves, towards each other and towards themselves why they're staying.
It’s frustrating that these trolls keep contributing to the big lie that “Lemmy is not ready yet” and that there’s “no viable alternative to Reddit”.
That's not frustrating at all! That's GOOD! It's proof they see Lemmy as a threat, and right now, it is!
And maybe the newbie hose will be less violent, meaning the instances have more time to beef up and fix other problems.
I still wonder how my Lemmy (planning on using a correct Linux box on a 1Gb line) should be "configurated", like lots of users, lots of "subs", images etc to be of use not just in the shirt time ... and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one :-) !
take em down boys!!!
“Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you”
Honestly, it would not shock me if Reddit HQ was amplifying these comments. They are going to do everything they can to ensure that their IPO goes well. All we can hope for is for someone to blow the whistle.
It wouldn't surprise me, a lot of people don't care or just aren't interested in change.
Honestly I'm quite alright with that. If we can get a good core user base on here it'll feel like reddit did earlier in it's life. Once the masses came and posts regularly had over 10k upvotes the content began feeling more and more soulless.
Yeah it's good that this type of comments are being left there and not here.
Also I don't think is a good idea that an user that's looking for reddit 2 comes to lemmy or kbin just to shit on it cause is not reddit 2.This place is becoming an echo chamber.
I don't doubt that there are bots in the comments on Reddit (as if that can even be disputed) but pretending like nobody could possibly just not be interested in moving to lemmy is wrong. There's lots of teething troubles here still which need to be resolved before most people will consider it. Whinging about astroturfing comment sections isn't gonna make dankmemes or pcmasterrace come to lemmy.
I've spoken to people IRL who say that the protests are pointless, even if I show them a new community growing because of them. There is probably some shenanigans involved in the volume of anti-protest activity, but there are plenty Redditors with Stockholm Syndrome to give them credibility
So what are the odds those are spez-trained bots?
Spez-naz lol
Idk, maybe two?
Yes
The comments/replies to my comments that really chapped my ass were when someone was defending ads and trying to claim they didn't even know there were third party apps and we were just being babies. I don't want to have to watch two unskippable ads like YouTube just to see a meme or comment in an AskReddit or be bombarded with gas pill ads between every front page post because I typed "why am I farting more than normal?" In a toolbar five years ago, and I'm not being a baby because I don't want to give up my working product for a shit alternative that turns me into a product. I feel like Reddit is Pied Piper from 'Silicon Valley' where they hired a shit load of trolls in an office in New Delhi to gaslight us and drive up support for a highly disliked business path.
Well as long as people are talking about Lemmy, that's good for us. Any publicity is good publicity.
Kind of. I'm glad that I'm not seeing quite so much of "they're all a bunch of tankies over there". I make sure to mention both Lemmy and Kbin when I'm mentioning alternatives as an attempt to head that one off at the pass a bit.
Yeah that's a good idea.
redditors always find another way to disappoint. whether it's going back to use the site after 2 days of "protest", or the moderators giving in to reddit admin pressure instead of resigning.
I'm convinced the general reddit population really are just a bunch of adult babies that have become just docile consumers and sycophants. The fact that people complain about how difficult it is to sign up on lemmy/other fediverse instances shows the level of competency these people work at. If you can't put a modicum of effort into the community you're trying to be a part of, it's probably better you're not here anyways. We don't need 200 million people on lemmy for it to be a fun and interesting place to engage with content on. I'd rather have a smaller (than reddit) userbase, with better content and discussion, than the vast wave of karma farmers posted the lowest effort puns to every single article on world news.
Love Northlane btw.
exactly! I've found lemmy users to be a pretty interesting bunch. very self sufficient and willing to learn the ins and outs of how this community works (at least in my short experience)
yesss +1 for Northlane!!!
Not related to the trolls like comment you described, but lemmy really does not present it well.
In this Reddit post comments are very reasonable: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lemmy/comments/14cl0up/lemmy_is_way_more_complicated_to_use_than_reddit/
I like that it is slightly complicated, you don't want every dumbass swarming up in here all at once.
That's what it felt like for me after I posted anything lol. But is it bots, is it Reddit themselves?
I think it's a bit of both.
People think they did that to Voat.
Are the reports of warnings for posting Lemmy links true?
Haven't encountered any so far, mostly just getting systematically downvoted for mentioning Lemmy and then getting attacked by trolls like the one I mentioned, who without surprise always get upvoted.
When I link to lemmy I get comments like "what are you still doing here then?" Or "if it needs a get started page then it's too complicated" Honestly the pessimism at reddit is very high, most seem to think that doing anything is pointless.
There's definitely corpo sockpuppets and bots involved, some of which have even straight up posted AI bot warnings about not being able to generate offensive content (oops!) but there's plenty of ignorant people too.
That said, I'm kind of OK with them staying on reddit because people like that had been making reddit progressively worse for years and years at it gained popularity. Hopefully the relative obscurity of Lemmy will prevent that from happening for a while yet.
One of these guys asked me to think about reddits revenue… very strange
They adopt the same bizarre rhetoric: "Reddit is bleeding money", "3rd party apps are circumventing Reddit's ads and losing them money" etc...
Ask them to think about your free work as an author.
I went to have a look back in United Kingdom sub and seemed even more right wing and the think-tank bots paid posts than normal.
Reddit is a very right leaning platform. Don't mention on there though else they'll bite your head off. Everyone else has gradually left the platform over the years.
I reckon it's mostly bots set up by Reddit admins and sad-sack mods who consider Reddit moderation to be a full-time job
The bits have been unleashed.
As long as they do it on Reddit I really don‘t care anymore. Probably with the IPO Reddit will run all sorts of "opinion forming" bots and ban dissidents and so on to make sure they seem like they got the community behind them.
I just hope they leave us alone here and mostly anti-spez people come to form new communities here.
It was a matter of time. They'll give us a stupid name to refer to us from now on soon enough too.
Rexxitors.
Lemmings.
Might I suggest Lemmigrants?
@AlmightySnoo "Bots brigading against Lemmy"
FTFY
Reddit HQ, or an apartment block in Russia, or a warehouse in turkey, or a basement in Saudi Arabia..
I just deleted all my posts, comments and my account on Reddit. No need to get frustrated over people who wants to be a part of that shit show. Also you can't be sure that they are real people and not paid trolls to discourage people. At this point anything is possible with Reddit.
Wouldn't care to be honest. Let reddit be shit, all sorts of slander origi ate from there anyway.
If they want to gate-keep themselves then fine by me.
I legit joined this instance yesterday because I'm not going to trust the claims of randos (who are now very easy to see as frauds) and although I agree that Lemmy needs some work, it's responsive and reasonably usable. I'm impressed at how well it's handling the massive Reddit migration.
I haven't noticed.
However, something I have noticed about people is that they justify their behaviour.
So if they buy a Toyota and Dad has a Nissan, he'll ask them why they didn't buy a Nissan... If they buy a Nissan and Dad has a Toyota, they'll similarly be able to fight for their corner.
What people don't do is to buy a Nissan and say 'sure, I bought the dogshit car because I'm stupid'.
Something that's true is that Reddit aggregated a lot of behaviour on internet, and so it's obviously true that Lemmy cannot compete with that - not even close. For many use-cases, there are no viable alternatives.
The best thing that will come of this is that people become aware that they have alternatives to Youtube/Google, Reddit, Facebook, Chrome etc.
People need to work to build an independent internet and not allow this shit to happen.
They need to stop signing TOS agreements that they can't even read through or comprehend.
Let them stay there then. We can't force people to join us here. If they choose to believe those kind of brigading comments then they do not have the level of critical thinking to become a meaningful contributor to any site. Those who wanted to move have already moved. Those remaining there are those who chose to ignore the issue, or support reddit.
I've seen users against the blackout get downvoted but at the same time suggesting or even asking about Lemmy also gets you downvoted.
Well, to be fair, I do think that people have a point when they say Lemmy isn't ready or yet on scale of reddit to be equal competition. Lemmy doesn't have a userbase as large, even throughout all instances, and it also probably wouldn't be able to sustain if everyone left reddit and came here, which means less content.
But who cares? I certainly don't want all redditors to leave and come here. I do think reddit itself is probably sabotaging discussions of alternatives but there are plenty of real users who would say the exact same things. Corporate actions aside, reddit also sucked because of its users and the culture created there. Not all users add value. If those trolls, Right-wingers, and shills all came here, then it would replicate the garbage. There are some aspects of reddit I'll miss, or may sometimes dip into in the future for a transaction, like a Criterion film marketplace, but I'm otherwise happier here. If those things from reddit that I miss or want are eventually replicated on Lemmy then I'll never in any form go back to reddit. If redditors are happy with their shitposts and bot-populated or meme-speak comments on reddit but think Lemmy is the dogshit, then all the better.
They could be legit users, FWIW, and just not understanding Lemmy enough to know what an "instance" is. Nowhere else on the internet (except Mastodon) is it a "thing" to have different instances of the same site iteracting.
Half of my comments are about Lemmy not being ready yet, or a viable alternative to Reddit. It's not a "big lie". I'm currently relying on the hover-over text to know where the icons are, brcause they're not loading for some reason. I'm confident that decentralised social media will never take off, brcause the point of social media is to bring people together rather than stick them on different servers.
To be viable, alternatives don't need to function exactly like reddit. I think what you're referring to (aside from the icons not loading, which is a symptom of temporary server growing pains) is mostly discomfort with a new thing functioning slightly differently. Once you spend a couple of days using lemmy, the decentralized nature of it starts feeling much less foreign and is actually kinda cool for lots of reasons. Being on different servers doesn't mean we can't still come together; the fediverse enables us to come together to an extent that is unheard of with proprietary sites like reddit.
I hope you can give yourself some time to acclimate, I think you'll really start enjoying it here!
Don't feed the troll please
The point of the fediverse also is to bring people together and to not stick them on different servers - its to let people come together without all having to be on one persons server
I understand that that's the point of it, but it runs contrary the network effect that makes social media valuable, and creates too much of a barrier of entry to new users.
When Twitter became woefully unpopular, I heard several different podcasters say something along the lines of "For now we're still on Twitter. We'll move onto Mastodon once I work out how to use it", and none of them ever joined. If content creators don't join a network because it's too difficult to join compared to other networks, then content consumers will have no reason to join either.
It's no coincidence that the biggest community on lemmy.ml is Linux.
The biggest problem for me is that rhe ui is kind of... shit. I really hope sync for Lemmy changes that.
The algorithm sucks too. When I sort by "hot" I get days old threads. "Ht" needs to prioritise both popularity and recency