Why aren't we just stealing all of the top content from Reddit and posting it here?
Why aren't we just stealing all of the top content from Reddit and posting it here?
Reddit doesn't actually own any of the content, right? Neither do any of the contributors? Seems like a good way to fuck Reddit.
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Back in the days of shopping malls, you could travel and go to a mall in any city, and it would be virtually the same as a mall in any other city: same stores, same (or similar) restaurants in the food court, same teenagers trying desperately to impress each other… all shoved into a slightly different layout. It was kinda bleak. One reason we don't just copy our content from somewhere else is that we don't want to re-create this nightmare hellscape on the internet, where every new social network is a slightly different skin on the same content.
Lemmy is not Reddit. Please let Lemmy continue to not be Reddit. If you want to fuck Reddit, do it by not going to Reddit. Reddit doesn't own the content, but the contributors do. (Read section 5 of the Reddit terms of use; when you post on Reddit, you retain ownership of your content and grant Reddit license to it.) When you repost their content without permission, you're not fucking Reddit; you're fucking them.
Help me understand how reposting fucks the content creators? They are simply having their labor exploited by Reddit. They aren't being compensated for their work, and a billion dollar company is reaping all the financial benefits.
I feel like with all the protests the real core issue, or what people should be angry about was not really hammered home. Reddit is a business and Lemmy is not, right? Reddit's business model relies on labor exploitation of not just the content creators, but the moderators. Reddit expects these people to work for them, but provides no pay and on top of that shows a general disregard, contempt and disgusting for those people who allow them to exist and make their execs rich. That is what I find most disgusting, and feel like this point was just glossed over by everyone that was pissed off by the whole api thing.
So what you're saying is, Reddit is fucking creators by not compensating them, but when you take that work and repost it without compensation, it's ok?
Besides, the great thing about Lemmy is that it's not Reddit. It has a whole different vibe. I think it's worth maintaining that.
No that's not what I'm trying to say. I'm saying that content creators on Reddit are already being fucked. The only perceivable benefit they get from Reddit is exposure. So I would argue that reposting their content on other platforms benefits them. It can also be done in a respectful and ethical way—providing attributions for example.
Because they own the content and control over how it is distributed. They chose to grant it to reddit, and you have decided that also grants you a license, although it actually doesn't. You are taking it anyway which violates their rights to control their content and who may distribute it.
I agree with you that the users are being exploited by Reddit, but that doesn't mean that we can come in and further exploit them in the interest of trying to avenge them. That should be (and legally is) their choice to do or not to do.
And I also agree with you that the exploitation is the issue. The API stuff just shined a light on it (or should have anyway, but I also agree that it became just a footnote in the story).