What happened to denatured alcohol?
What happened to denatured alcohol?
I'm in US-GA and I cannot find denatured alcohol locally. WTF happened? I need something 100% alcohol for cleaning electronics.
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You can not really have 100% alcohol. It's really hard to get the last few percent of water out of it. Destillation is useless at that percentage and drying agents are used, but even they can't get all water out. Denatured just means that there is a bitter tasting chemical mixed in so it won't be drunken by those wanting to avoid alcohol taxes.
that's fair enough. It's my bad for assuming it was 100%, I just assumed that if it wasn't 100% it would have said so on the bottle. it's just denatured alcohol as you would have(in the past) bought from the hardware store.
That's mostly correct but I don't think it's entirely accurate. Distillation is useless at the azeotropic point but ternary mixtures are used to break the azeotrope. Once you move past the azeotrope you can continue distillation to high purity. You could also do pressure swing distillation but my guess (even though I'm not exactly a chemical engineer doing unit operations for a living) is that it wouldn't be economical. Of course, getting "100%" pure anything is really a different story...
I think the point that it's not 100% is fair. It's just hardware store denatured alcohol and I assumed it was 100% since every other alcohol bottle either says proof or %, which was a mistake on my part regardless of whether it is actually 100% or not. It has always worked better for me than 91% isopropyl though and was the only other thing available.
Not that this comment is all that relevant to you, but here's a wall of text for context:
The devil is probably in the details here. My assumption is that your denatured alcohol is referring to ethanol mixed with other toxic alcohols (such as methanol).
This can't be 100% pure ethanol because it MUST contain denaturants to discourage drinking, otherwise it would not be denatured and would legally require an additional excise tax. In that case, you might find it as Everclear (190 proof or 95% or ethanol by volume at highest concentration). It can be close to 100% alcohol, of course, because methanol is an alcohol.
I HAVE seen (at least in the US) food grade USP purity ethanol for sale (with additional cost due to excise tax inclusion) that's at least 99.5% pure. I have also seen 99% purity isopropyl alcohol (IPA). My point in the reply to the original content is that it's not accurate. Distillation of binary mixtures results in azeotropes that prevent purity of more than 91% IPA (by volume) and ~95% ethanol. But there's ways around it such as adding a third solvent for a ternary mixture, salting out (shown in some chemistry demonstrations), changing the pressure of distillation, or using molecular sieves to remove water content. Alternatively, you could use freeze distillation, or even zone melting if you chose to freeze the mixture instead of boiling it. In fact, once you PASS the azeotrope, you can actually distill at standard pressure albeit what you want and don't want in the column would switch places.
Getting the last few percent of water out of it definitely costs more, but it's not something so hard that you can't find commercially available alcohol solvents at purities above the azeotropic point. I know this is the case since I've acquired them for home use and have used them in multiple lab settings before. The annoying part for those who REALLY don't want much water in the solvents is that at that point your solvents are hygroscopic and unless sealed properly or kept in a desiccated environment they're gonna tend to absorb water back toward the azeotropic point.
Ethanol is similar to IPA in solvent properties but they won't be the same. I don't have enough wet lab experience to give a good answer in this regard though. If you're able to take things apart, I've cleaned PCBs the Louis Rossmann way, which is with Branson EC solution and sonication. Drying is really the most important step there ;)
yeah after doing more research it seems 99% isopropyl is better for what I want to use it for anyway, and that's what I ordered. So not really looking for this anymore, and yeah someone else pointed out what you did and I admit it was a bad assumption that it was 100% alcohol.