Eurozone inflation falls to 5.5% in sharp contrast to UK
Eurozone inflation falls to 5.5% in sharp contrast to UK
Economists put reason for divergence down to Brexit and Britain’s energy price guarantee
Snapshot of Eurozone inflation falls to 5.5% in sharp contrast to UK. Economists put reason for divergence down to Brexit and Britain’s energy price guarantee.
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No
What on earth do you mean 'No'.
Even by the measure that the OBR states, GDP per capita, UK was 2nd in Europe in 2016 and is still 2nd in 2022. The economic impact has been massively overstated.
What's that got to do with what I asked you?
I'm talking about a figure that's been spent/lost or not earned due to Brexit, and the OBR puts it at well over 200 billion now. Which is more than we ever spent on the EU in total over 47 years. Just a fact mate.
Investment may have been delayed, but that’s just delayed. There’s plenty of money looking at undervalued UK companies in deeptech and fintech
Or maybe, investment would have been even higher in the EU and we might have some of the top vert farm companies, like Germany and Finland does eh?
I really don't think you've demonstrated at all that Brexit has benefitted the vertical farm industry like you said it has.
Simply, no Brexit benefits here, as per usual when you scratch the claim even slightly.
I suggest you read this if you want scratch below the surface
It's paywalled, perhaps you can quote me something relevant?
Thank you very much, I've read it, but it doesn't support what you claim and it's actually quite a lightweight document.
Your claim was that Brexit was a gift in the agri tech on account of the disruption and increased costs of farming associated with Brexit.
This is the only part which strikes me as relevant to this claim
None of these is necessarily bad, and there is a wider framework to consider as technological change offers up what Gove called the ‘third agricultural revolution’.43 The coming of digitalization, and with it robotics, provides the opportunity to switch from labour to capital, and hence the restrictions of migrant labour and the associated higher wages may accelerate the process, and this in turn may increase productivity, which is low in British agriculture (partly because of the cheap labour reducing the incentives to digitalize). There may now be the necessity to, for example, get robots to pick soft fruits.44
The case for gene editing in agriculture is substantial. There are also considerable advances in indoor farming, urban farming, and the moves to insect- and plant-based proteins to replace meat production. British agriculture in 2030 and beyond will be very different, and in assessing the impacts of Brexit on British agriculture, the impact of policy on the deployment of new technologies will form a major part.
Lot of 'may', 'could' heavy lifting going on there. Certainly doesn't refute my point that all of this is/was entirely possible in the EU, and in fact the biggest vert farm companies are in the EU, not in the UK.
Sorry mate, I gave this argument every chance to prove a Brexit benefit, this one is still very much 'not proven' for me, unless you have something better?
Opportunities obviously have to be couched in possibilities. Or do you really expect 40 years of bad subsidy to be undone in 3 years?
Vertical farming is just one aspect of CEA, and before covid and brexit the UK didn't need vertical farms. Now we do. Necessity is the mother of invention.
There are plenty of other areas that the UK can regulate based on science rather than feels now.
And other than agriculture, AI
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/ai-in-the-eu-and-uk-two-approaches-to-regulation-and-international-leadership/
I mean, you said it was a gift, and now you're back tracking on that quite rapidly.
Vertical farming is just one aspect of CEA, and before covid and brexit the UK didn’t need vertical farms. Now we do. Necessity is the mother of invention.
Sure, but I don't see how they've made it necessary in the EU and have 2 of the biggest vert farm companies, and somehow we couldn't?
There are plenty of other areas that the UK can regulate based on science rather than feels now.
Right, but you've seen the shitshow we get from Westminster right? What makes you think policy will be any better, if anything our government seems to consistently make worse decisions than the EU does in my view.
On AI, that's just another lot of maybes, and so far I can't see any tangible benefit you can point to in that article.
Further, the EU changes and modifies it's legislation all the time as well, so any future 'benefit' over being in the EU could just as easily be undone at a future date and then whatever advantage we had will be gone.
I don't think any of this is anywhere near justifying or mitigating the enormous damage that has been done to this country, it would be nice if there was at least something but I don't see it.
It's a gift to the companies I work with. The problems caused by brexit, covid and climate change are opportunities.
Border problems? Customs tech is a multi billion sized market opportunity.
Food supply chain problems? Agtech opportunities
Labour problems? Automation, robotics, AI opportunities
If all you see is problems, you'll never make anything out of anything
Right, but you've seen the shitshow we get from Westminster right? What makes you think policy will be any better, if anything our government seems to consistently make worse decisions than the EU does in my view.
I voted for lexit, as did the majority of trade unions, including people like Mick Lynch, it would be absurd to expect a right wing government to deliver lexit...
The benefits of leaving the EU will take years to realise. It hasn't even got started yet.
Well I sort of see what you mean, my company does payment systems and I personally earned a nice tidy bonus for my work on the NI border project.
I really don't see though, how the government paying me that money to do that thing that didn't need to be done before is really a benefit.
Most of these opportunities you describe would have been just as availablein the EU, maybe even more so due to how much easier R + D collaboration was in the EU.
It sounds to me like you've kind of got the blinders on with this, vote for it by any chance?
I voted for lexit
There wasn't a vote for that, you voted to let the Tories decide for you.
It hasn’t even got started yet.
Oh yeah, I agree there :)
I really don't see though, how the government paying me that money to do that thing that didn't need to be done before is really a benefit.
That's the economic cost for a political decision.
I don't see why people think centralising power, which is the result of ever more political union, is a benefit.
I'd like to see more decentralised government. A fediverse version if you like. Representative democracy is so last century.
I don’t see why people think centralising power, which is the result of ever more political union is a benefit.
Same reason you centralise anything, economies of scale. For instance, all this agri business regulation, if we just used the EU rules, then we can trade with them no problem and we don't have to pay a load of our own people to do the exact same work.
There you go massive specific and relevant benefit that anybody can understand. It is interesting you cannot really do the same the other way.
I’d like to see more decentralised government. A fediverse version if you like. Representative democracy is so last century.
Well I am loving feddit.uk so far, it's smashing. The right tool for the right job is an adage as true as anything in my experience and decentralised systems are great in some places and fucking useless in others. As far as democracy goes, most people simply don't have the time to gather all the knowledge you would need to actually govern effectively and make good decisions.
I mean could it be any worse than when we let these useless aristocrat pricks from Eton and Oxbridge who know nothing run riot? Might be less corrupt like, there is that.