Germany not just going to continue military support for Ukraine, but to increase it - Baerbock
Germany not just going to continue military support for Ukraine, but to increase it - Baerbock
The media should not forget when discussing the Ukrainian counteroffensive that it is not about some abstract thing and pure advancement on the battlefield, but about Ukraine's desire to liberate all its citizens from the brutal oppression of the Russian occupiers. — Ukrinform.
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How about just delivering everything already promised first.
lmao
How dare they announce their deliveries in advance!Yeah well, advance announcements don't actually help in the war do they now? They're only PR until they're delivered.
Talking of which, the EU so far has failed to ramp up it's artillery shell production properly, probbaly not hitting even half of the promised 1million shells to Ukraine by next march. So I'll stay let's focus on delivered things instead of promises.
Of course they're PR, because everyone and their mother was crying about the lack of transparency behind deliveries to Ukraine. And please, you act like Germany doesn't deliver what they announce when in fact they're the largest contributor for Ukraine, right after the US, and has one of the highest transparency standards on the matter. I can't speak for other countries but Germany has definitely ramped up their artillery production, as well as other types of ammunition. They even helped with the renewed production of 120mm shells for the old Soviet gear. Generally, the EU contributions are also about twice as much as that of the US.
Generally, the EU contributions are also about twice as much as that of the US.
As usual with complex questions, I'd say this is either misleading a bit or rather needs more nuance.
If we take only the military aid, the numbers are roughly equal; the US pledged about 42b€ so far, and the EU is at around 40b€ from what I saw. Now this is pledged; I could not find good numbers on actually delivered stuff, nor do I expect those to be made public in a hurry.
If we also take financial aid into account then it would look different, because while the EU countries donated military aid, the EU itself has lent a lot of money to keep Ukraine going. But to be honest I've no good idea how/what that money was allocated for, nor on the schedule and conditions on how Ukraine can actually use it. Since the US didn't chip in financially that much, with this financial aid taken into account this would be correct. But given the topic at hand I think the more interesting thing to talk about would be the military donations...
And please, you act like Germany doesn’t deliver what they announce when in fact they’re the largest contributor for Ukraine, right after the US
Well, one of the biggest constant issues for Ukraine was the lack of ammunition, and Boris Pistorius admitted the EU will probably not meet it's promise to deliver the shells. . There were also cases where Ukraine had refused to accept Leopard 1 tanks due to them being in poor state . Again, no disrespect, but we only know a lot of what is pledged, and not a lot of what actually gets delivered.
Sadly we know in general that the state of the US and the EU states' armed forces in general were far from equal at the start of this war. The US has a huge and pretty well-maintained stock to fall back on, whereas states like Germany were already struggling a lot to keep their armed forces working. This means it's not the same difficult for both sides to pull the rabbit from the proverbial hat. There were warning signs of this as early as the wars in former Yugoslavia, where the EU could not effectively "police it's neighbourhood" without US help; and it seems those warning signs were not heeded, because everyone believed wars in Europe are a thing of the past. Alas...
I can’t speak for other countries but Germany has definitely ramped up their artillery production, as well as other types of ammunition.
I desperately hope you're right, but I don't think the western world fully appreciats how important this conflict is, certainly not to the degree russia does. There's certainly a lot of money flowing into the topic, but I feel it's mostly feeding bureaucracy or getting stuck in the political quagmires of the EU states. Not to mention that the EU defence strenght has been quite neglected for a long time; even if managed properly, it would take time to properly spin up industries and all related support structures again.
Of course we are still not as bad as the US might soon become, with the GOP now sabotating efforts to help Ukraine... and if Trump wins next year we'll be lucky if the US doesn't start aiding russia directly (slight sarcasm here). Fun times ahead.
The us completely outstrips the EU and all member states individual contributions militarily. The EU only beats the us if you consider only monetary contributions (which are then mostly used to purchase lend lease equipment at a discount from, again, the us.) Or have strings attached so they can't be used directly in the conflict. That's not to say the eu contributions are small, but it's not anywhere close to being twice, even if you include monetary donations that don't directly help the war effort until it is converted to military spending.
lol, yes, because the US is a big ass country with a big ass GDP, comparable to the whole of the EU, since it is a federated state. If you measure it by GDP then the US completely falls flat.
Actually if you measure by gdp then the us makes the top 10 along with a bunch of smaller eastern European countries, but all of the major European countries like Germany, France, or Spain don't even make the list.
Oh, cool. Some random picture without source or date. I'm sorry, but it does not.
The US is on the 30th place with 0.3%, between Ireland and Canada, long after France or Spain. Germany sits at 12th place with 0.9%. You can find the rest of the frequently updated graphs here. I'll tag and report you for disinformation now.