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Please. Captcha by default. Email domain filters. Auto-block federation from servers that don't respect. By default. Urgent.
And yes, to refute some comments, this publication is being upvoted by bots. A single computer was needed, not "thousands of dollars" spent.
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Lemmy is just getting started and way too many people are talking about defederation for any reason possible. What is even the point of a federated platform if everyone's trying to defederate? If you don't like federation so much, go use Facebook or something.
This. Defed is not the magic weapon that will solve all your problems. Captcha and email filters should be on by default though.
Just to add to that, imagine people would start defeding email. Like WTF is that even? Defed should not even be an option.
imagine people would start defeding email
There are literally globally maintained blacklists of spam email sources. When people lease a static IP address the first thing to do is to check it against the major email blacklists.
These mail sources break laws. That's why they're blacklisted.
It happens to email ALL THE TIME, we just call it something different when it happens to email. Evaluating email for SPAM potential is an every-day common place occurrence, and for at least the past 10 years, a factor called 'domain reputation' is part of the equation. Entire domains get spam blacklisted because they refuse to enforce rules for their users. The end result is that some domains completely refuse to accept mail from some other domains.
Blacklisting an entire domain can and does happen daily. It just doesn't have the same triggering ring as the word "defederation" has.
It happens because spam is illegal in many countries.
My understanding from the beehaw defed is that more surgical moderation tools just don't exist right now (and likely won't for awhile unless the two Lemmy devs get some major help). Admins only really have a singular nuclear option to deal with other instances that aren't able to tackle the bot problem.
Personally I don't see defederating as a bad thing. People and instances are working through who they want to be in their social network. The well managed servers will eventually rise to the top with the bot infested and draconian ones eventually falling into irrelevance.
As a user this will result in some growing pains since Lemmy currently doesn't offer a way to migrate your account. Personally I already have 3 Lemmy accounts. A good app front end that minimizes the friction from account switching would greatly help these growing pains.
As a user this will result in some growing pains since Lemmy currently doesn’t offer a way to migrate your account.
Because you shouldn't. Just like with other federated systems like e-mail or OAuth/OpenID, you don't create accounts everywhere, you use ONE account everywhere instead.
Personally I don’t see defederating as a bad thing.
You should. Imagine e-mail server admins would start banning other e-mail services based on political or religious views and whatnot, that would fragment e-mail system and eventually destroy it. The only reason to defed other instance if such instance breaks the law. Just like we blacklist fraudulent mail server. Not because we don't like fraud, but because it's illegal.
I feel like the email analogy sort of breaks down. Email is point to point, not a forum. If there's a Lemmy instance community that acts like the equivalent of the_Donald subreddit and they go around harassing other communities I'd want to defed from that server. I don't want to try to block them one by one.
The benefit (and potential downside) of Lemmy is that there could be several networks of communities. There doesn't have to be a single Lemmy community, but there could many, all with different goals and guidelines. That definitely has pros and cons, but I come down on the opinion that it's overall a good thing.